Can acid bring out ego loss like shrooms can? ive doneshrooms 6 times at and experienced total ego loss. i want to trip at Allgood but done want a mindfuck is acid more psychedelic?
'More psychedelic' is not a good description, They are equally psychedelic. BUt... I have found my heaviest LSD trips to be heavier than my heaviest mushroom trip but it varies from person to person and a variety of factors such as set and setting, dose, quality, and other reasons. I'm assuming ALLGood is a festival you will probably not experience heavy ego loss on LSD in that setting but who knows.
you experienced ego loss all 6 times from mushrooms? at what dosage? if you don't want ego loss, take a low dose
LSD readily causes ego loss, but in a different way from tryptamines. With tryptamines the sense of "I" encompasses the universe, making it non-distinct and therefore nullified, while on LSD the I is actually lost in a river of thought which kaleidoscopically cascades in non-euclidian angles off every atom in existence. But yeah it'll kill ya good mang, take a few good hits
did you believe you were dead? that you transformed into something else? did you just not think at all? what filled that gap of mind?
What Mr. Writer said, only I would add that the unique thing about such an experience elicited by LSD is the distinctions and definitions that differentiate between I and Thou no longer are valid. "You" meld and merge with everything into a state of nothing. Adjectives and definitions lose all meaning or significance. It's a paradoxical state of existence in which all the rules, roles, and controls that defined and sustained your "boundaries" and maintained you as distinct and unique fall away until you just "are" and "it" just "is". It's going through the prism backwards so all the colors of the rainbow reunite into blinding white. And emotionally that is how it feels. It's not a losing of self and ego, it's relinquishing of unique identity and rejoining that which is everything. It is almost impossible to put into language as it is a paradoxical state that is foreign to our normal waking consciousness. Just as impossible to understand unless you have been there. It is simply a state of "is-ness" It is coming home. It is a returning to what you were prior to your conception. If you can "know" the transcendent reality encompassed in the simple phrase "It is" then you have been through the rainbow and merged with the white. As I look back at what I wrote, I shake my head in despair at how utterly inadequate words are in conveying this experience.
sometimes id think i died and was continuing to live an afterlife where my identity was gone, i was just a creature of the planet given a name etc.. We all are really onlyminds controlling bodies, and i just think humans are so strange after my ego loss lol.
unfortunately I can't link it ATM, but I was watching this interview with ralph Abraham, a mathmatician who was comparing Dmt with LSD on youtube and he makes a brief mention that LSD visuals are in fact like those found in Euclidean geometry. I am terrible with math and really it holds little interest to me but im curious as to how you might respond to this. Perhaps a SIMPLE, short, concise definition of Euclidean geometry can be a start, before responding. The video should be easy to find on youtube i just type in dmt and it was about the 3rd one down or so and a man with a white beard.
first you must understand that geometry ("earth measure") is the science of studying the dynamics of space and spatial relationships. Euclidian geometry is a model of space and shapes developed by Euclid, founded on 5 "axioms" (self-evident rules) that govern the laws of space and shape. For example the first axiom of euclidian geometry is that if you have two points somewhere, you can draw a straight line between them. That's one of the basic assumptions that Euclid took for granted and upon which he built greater and greater rules and postulations of increasing complexity. As for a discussion I don't really have much to say, my comment was meant more in a metaphorical flair than in a literal description of geometric mechanics; I don't feel bad agreeing with the mathematical opinion of a mathematician "Non-euclidian" geometry is any system of "space measure" which contradicts any of Euclid's axioms; for example, a geometry where you cannot draw a straight line between two points, because space is so curved everywhere. Euclidian geometry assumes space is flat like a sheet of paper, while we know in fact the entire universe is curved and space distorts at all levels of magnification. His comments on how far removed from ordinary reality DMT is versus LSD I agree with totally, LSD is very "of this world" while DMT is very "not of this world".
i don't think that visuals are always like those found in euclidean geometry. sometimes my visuals are very curvy, and other times they are totally transcendental. i'd say this doesn't fit the pattern of euclidean geometry. but there does seem to be a connection between psychedelics and mathematics. a long while ago i was taking a calculus class and i had a few (strong) 1 hit trips around that time and the lsd really increased my mathematical ability. it even changed the way i thought of math completely. because of this i was very good at calculus, and able to learn it very fast. but brain activity resulting from visual patterns in the primary visual cortex can be put down to mathematically-describable patterned neuron activation. meaning you could mathematically describe the brain activity of a person while on lsd, and that it is notably different from sober brain activity.
Great response both of you. I certainly see mathematical elements in LSD as well as the majority of psychedelics, and its certainly a department I'm seriously lacking in as It seems like it would be very useful when describing the psychedelic experience , perhaps even utilizing the psychedelic. I also understand metaphorical or non literal meaning as I remember yesterday responding to someone that "besides slight relaxation you don't really feel intoxicated on dmt." I play guitar and I find those patterns and shapes useful to playing but I focus mainly on the 'language'/color of the shape. For instance the shapes may convey meaning of happiness or sadness and speak to me but I could easily see drawing particular intervals out on the guitar more efficiently from them if I were more adept in mathematics.
yea man that's a great idea to link together psychedelics, math, and music, lol. imagine playing a tune that correlated somehow to the bainwaves created by lsd use. haha
