all religion is usless bullshit.

pretty much what the title says. all religion is just totally beyond me, i dont get it, it seem pointless.

how the hell do people get to belive believe written words in a book so much theyl kill over it. dedicate their whole life disecting every last word of that book and trying force their interpratation of it on other people. and then fighting wiht other people who interpret the same book diferently.

WTF? why cant peopel figure out they shouldnt believe everything they read. Aaside the few powermongers who use religion to control people, only thing i can figure is that all religous people of all religions are retards.

 

Not every religion is like that. In fact, the idea of spending a lifetime interpreting every word in a book is exclusive to the three western religions - Christianity, Islam, and (to a much lesser extent) Judaism.

You won't find that in Buddhism or Shintoism or Native American religions. That's not to say that those religions have any more merit; just that people of those religions don't blindly follow written scripture.

 

how about looking at religion without having to see any religion as the Way to heaven or enlightenment but instead look for the lessons about a higher being that include glimpses of love and lessons of peace... granted you have to look pretty hard and sometimes not at the whole religion or what others have done in the name of the said religion... but they're there... take what works for you and scrap the rest... which is exactly what my Baptist father says is taking me straight to hell.


in a handbasket.
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I'l give you that, Im not well read on world religions, i simply cant figure out how peopl belive in things

but if not book, then they blindly follow a leader, or thier elders. most north american natives have no real wirtten language they have/had storreis they pass from generation to generation, and this is what they believe.



I had an Inuk Cheif try to convince me putting a baby wisky jack in my mouth would cure my stutter. I think the bird would see big juicy worm called my tounge and probably try to bite it.

 

A religion really is just one's philosophy of life, their interpretation of the world around them--their worldview. Everyone has a worldview, and worldview is a religion, therefore YOU have a religion, except your religion is self-defeating since it condemns itself.

 

You're both wrong and right..For one, most christian bibles take out all of the explanatory notes which originally accompanied the texts, and most christians are ok with that. Furthermore, the bible is generally in english now and I haven't seen one christian yet that cares to check the original translation for the true gist of a phrase. So I don't see christians as being all too caring on interpreting the bible. I see many christians as caring far too much in interpreting the bible in ways which suit them. So I'd say right and wrong, in that extent.

Judaism can be the opposite and you said it interprets to a lesser extent! there are books and books of interpretations and tons of commentary, to the extent we have 2 bibles, the torah and the oral torah, which is the interpretation of the torah! Some jews dedicate vast amounts of time to understanding every part of every phrase, and many (if not most) learn ancient hebrew in order to do this properly. However, we are warned against dedicating too much time to doing this, I forget the reference but I can dig it up if ya dont believe me

However what you're interested in, cousinit, i think is how people dedicate their lives to something which is so meaningless to many other people. Am I right? Whether its a book or a person or a belief or an action.. And I can't tell you why, really. I can't give you any decent reason. But it doesn't mean religion is bad. It means some people are unhealthy, yes, but most religious people are far more interested in being moral, good people, (rather than following an idol) which you can't say is stupid. I think you need to get your ideas straight, youve started attacking something you didn't mean to.

I don't know what you 'blindly believe', but you're just as blind as the rest of us if you're going to dismiss other ways of life, and other beliefs, without knowing them. How do you know what's right or wrong if you don't know any way except one way? You'll be suprised how many religious people were not born into their religion, but sought it out, looking at many different viewpoints; whereas you openly admit to not even knowing the basics of religions such as christianity, judaism and islam, yet refuse to explore them, and continue to follow the same path. Blindly following is what one does when one knows no other path. Who's blind?

 

yeah but thats when faith and trust comes into it as well, you can believe in something your whole life, but whether you actually trust in it or not, trust in something you can't see...

 

I don't think religion is complete bullshit. It has it's purposes. Some people need some form of guidance or rules to go by or they would not be able to control themselves.

For example, if someone is an alcoholic to the point where their health is becoming an issue and religion can help them lay off of it, I am all for it. This has happened many times, and there are countless other examples.

On the other hand, religion has caused things like the ethnic cleansings in Africa. Anything can be taken to the extreme.

 

Ethics exist without religion. Religion is more or less a means to an end. You follow the ethics dictated by your religion so as to recieve eternal salvation: blatant egotism and self preservation.

Many would possess similar ethics without religion as they do with it. So, cut out the imaginary middle man, live authentically by your ethics for the sake of it in itself. Stop lying to yourself.

 

Not everyone sees things this way. Some people have to be scared of going to hell or whatever.

btw,
I saw that episode of Ali G that is in your sig. He cracks me up.

 

I do know the basics of thoes said religions and few others juist not in any great detail. I have no interest in mytholgy, and have never felt a need to explore It. Im not blindly follwing anything, its more like im wandering around blindfolded. the need for religion/spirtuality is somthing i dont understand. I have no desire to look for somthing to follow. I dont need it and i can not figure out why it so important to others.

as for philosophy, im equally dumb here. i know the societal norms wher i live, so baiscly I just try not to piss to many people off.
cousinit


If you don't need it, then that is great. You are on your own path, and only you can make those choices. Others may tell you that you are wrong, but I won't. If it is important to others, the reason why may not be able to be explained to you so you can see it. I believe what I do for many reasons, from 40 years of life, but I do not say I 'know' anything about Spirit. And my faith is personal, not for me to claim as right. It is only right for me.
You have a great attitude, Buddha would approve of your final sentence.
Philosophy, I have little use for it, as I find it has little practical use in reality, though it does have some.

 

I'll agree with you that People let religion brainwash them and theu do sick things. But at the same time if you approach it with a clear mind, wheather its true or not, it gives you some hope.

 

And if it does that, who am I to criticize? If others need that, then they do. That is totally acceptable and valid and true to their reality, whether I agree with their views or not.

 

Humanity is on the verge of outgrowing the need for condolances in the form of authoritarian dictations, i.e.religion.

Your the new breed of human- that's why you don't get.

 

You hit the nail right on the head.

And I could expand on this topic for days. But I will simply say this: Religion has had it's purpose in the past, but our knowledge has expanded to a point where it is no longer needed to explain the unexplained. It is no longer needed to govern us, and instill social values. I can see it's necessity during the beginning of our transformation into civilization, but we are beyond that now.

Humans can still have spirituality without the "authoritarian dictations" as gecopelli so nicely put it.

 

Sera,

If I wasn't old enough to be your father, I'd propose!