Always about the drugs

Why is it that alot of people round my age that consider themselves hippie'ish always talk about drugs ?

Ive always been able to relate to the hippie scene and from what i can gather about real hippies its not really about drugs, its a whole frame of mind to be in, thats what atracts me to indulging the hippie inside me.It just seems to be kinda disapointing to me that the topic of drugs is always being discussed when potentially we could all be pulling our creative minds together to talk about more meaningfull stuff.......

Dont get me wrong drugs are cool, good for all differant kinds of situations a fellow free thinker would find thereselves in be it social or non social but surely theres more to it than that. Meybe im just expecting to much, i know myself when ive been on the chat in here ive brought up the drug topic aswell.....there, guilty as charged lol though it does feel like im letting myself down, meybe its just a common ground we all have and inevitably we're gonna talk about it because its easy to relate with each other.

I just think that it would be nice to talk about other things for a change, ive seen on other sites when the chat has other rooms, i know this one does to, it would be good to see a room for say ( deep conversation) yeh shitty example lol but hopefully you get my drift. Surely we're owe it to the hippies from the 60's that started it all to be talking about love, peace etc priming ourselves online in order to be able to explain our cause to people we meet in the real world.

I think the drugs are just the condements for the hippies but the core hippie values are the main meal that we should all be wanting a peice of......

Anyway its 3.45am when im writing this so meybe tomorow i'll look at this thread and think "fuck...what was i talking about" lol or meybe it'll get you thinking, re-evaluating why it is you consider yourself hippie'ish, because anyone can be a stoner but to be able to think outside the box takes a differant kind of person

 

Hippies didn't "start it all"... Many activists of the '60s social movement did not consider themselves hippies.

Heres a tip, take it or leave it...stop considering yourself anything!
You are just a human like everyone else, people really are more the same than different.
Everyone has an equal chance at thinking outside the box.

ZW

 

True - we are all just humans, however putting yourself in some sort of sub-group is almost a necessary as well as an advantageous function.

There are dozens of them - maybe hundreds - which allow you to be able to locate people of like mind and viewpoint.

Would gays want to go into a Mississippi redneck bar? If you want to find a love and peace community would you direct yourself toward a Tea Party meeting, or a Klan rally? If you're a druggie would you want to go to a gathering of law enforcement officers?

Hippie, Redneck, Gay, Straight, Senior Citizen, Dopers, Communist, Liberals and on and on have to take on some sort of recognizable label to locate those of like mind.

Don't be so hard on Chris for considering their self a hippie. You meet the coolest people using that moniker.

 

i know many fags that would go into any redneck bar in texas just for the shock value....
and since the 60s the term hippy has become an umbrella term in my opinion..so if your hippy friends only talk about drugs then they need a sub term like ''hippy druggies''

more in skips book on this subject

 

who cares about terms and sub-terms? that's all nonsense really.

personally, i'd imagine a lot of the "hippies" back in the 60's didn't really know what was going to happen or what kind of a movement they were getting involved in. a lot of them were just there for the drugs, the music, or just plain nothing better to do. not all of course, but many.

some had a vision and an idea that was catching hold, and they cultivated those ideas over time.

when the 60's ended and the fad aspect went away, the ones who were in it for the wrong reasons took off, and hopefully that is what will happen with this generation. drugs are directly tied to the hippie movement so they will never go away, but it's my hope that at least there will be less people attending festivals only to sell drugs.

 

True - a gay person might do that as a lark. But they wouldn't want to go in there unawares giving tongue to their partner.

And, you just identified another sub-set to refine your search for people you want to come in contact with or share interest with. That's cool - no problem. The more I think about it the more I like the idea of groups and sub-groups.

I am - Dad, hippie, husband, homeowner, Christian, liberal, old, gray haired, tree huger and HepC infectee - among many. For Chris to use "hippie" as the group her/he identifies with is no big deal. I could use any of the above to make the point I am trying to make.

The negative ----
Saying all this - groups and sub-groups need to be vigilant not to assume the superior attitude and mean spirit toward outsiders that you find among many groups such as fundamentalist religions, racist organizations and the like.

(PS) Do you consider "fags" to be friends?

 

All I'm saying is, if Chris wants to identify with what he/she considers "hippies" then more power to them. You're right about one thing - this is a lot of ado about nothing. If I want to be a Smurf - then I'm a Smurf - then I can comfortably go to Smurfland without having to worry about Trolls.

 

Dude the reason that you see so many "Hippies" your age who just want to talk about getting high is because they have been brainwashed by the media to believe that is what "Hippies" do. There is alot on the line for alot of people in power that they could lose if a large group of people were to all of a sudden start thinking progressively for themselves seeing through the lies that are being sold to them on a daily basis. So they come up with a set of streotypes based loosely on some Hippie behavior and portray that to the masses as "Hippie Culture." Just like in the thirties they portrayed "Amos and Andy" and the blackface minstral show as "Black Culture".

Also there is a big difference between the kids brought up by Hippies who continue the lifestyle and the ones who are simply rebeling angainst their banker parents. I was brought up in a Hippie household. People came around some drank and smoked dope others didn't. I grew up understanding about the lifestyle and inadvertantly continued it. Where as what I've seen alot of kids your age (remember I have about 12 years on you) is a combination of rebeling against their upper middle class upbringing and finding out who they are. To me it's like adopting the language and mannerisms of another culture without a clue as to what that culture is really about. It's like the white kids in the suburbs who dress like rappers and put nice rims on their Ford Escorts and act like a stupid stereotype of what they think that black people form the "Hood" act like because they have been sold this racist stereotype of what "Black Culture" is from MTV an BET and they've never been to the hood. They start to view the inner city as this exotic place with an exotic culture when it isn't. Usually they out grow it.

The good news is that all of the books from the counter culture still exist and you can usually find them at the local library or any bookstore can order them. The "Old Farts" are still around and you can get first hand wisdom and war stories from them. In other words there are still alot of resources available so that you can educate yourself.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

It's not always about drugs. The people you hang out with are the ones that just happen to talk about drugs. There are plenty of die-hard hippies out there who will talk about anything you want to. Topics ranging from politics to music, and food to real estate. You just gotta know who to start the right conversations with.

 

Cool! great response people, as far as being a "hippie" i use the term loosley as it best describes the culture that is the point of interest here, i would hate to think people only fit into one part of society when obviously thats not the case, everyone is an individual and to describe a person as just a hippy when theres so many differant aspects of a persons individuality....well it just seems to be to small a description, but however as i say i use the term loosley, its just a word associated with the culture and you'll notice in the original post i tend to say "hippie'ish" and "free thinker" which i think is a much broader way of describing how someone feels wich best fits there personality and values. Just an observation here aswell meybe of topic but meybe the meaning of being a hippie is used in a less derogative way these days than what it did back in the day, i mean when i here the word hippie i think of very interesting people that are at peace with themselves and have learned to love, whereas back then alot of people considered it a down and out, meybe im wrong, i dont claim to be right but felt like contributing more anyway lol

Ddoright - im a dude btw lol thought id clear that up for you

 

Most people that seem hippie-ish are trying to seem hippie-ish; just like most people who dress like punks are trying to seem like punks; or most bodybuilders are trying to be tough; or most priests are trying to be priestly.

These people will therefore practice the stereotypical aspects of the roles that they are trying to assume, in the case of hippies: doing drugs, wearing peace signs, being "natural", etc.

You will find this in any social role, subculture, etc. Most people are always trying to be, instead of just being.

 

Whats up with the derogatory description? -or maybe it isnt any more ,I dont know
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Drugs in the early days were part of the experience, or the experiment- how ever ya want to put it.
As we got older, many of us kinda graduated from that scene- unfortunately I have my own issues.:banghead:-

I cant speak for 20yr olds- who choose to relate hippie ideals with drug use. Recreational drug use has its place, but this idea that the media loves to put out there- - that all people involved in any type of counter culture uses drugs is silly and destructive

peace&respect
jjack

 

Thanks for the heads up on your gender Chris. Chris can swing both ways and I didn't want to insult you.

Don't want to harp on this but even when someone is just "Being" they are going to be identified and identify themselves within certain groups which invariably are labeled - and you don't have to try in order to be so labeled. I once did drugs because I had the inclination and my friends used drugs - was I trying to be like a druggie - I don't think so.
A dad is what I am, a liberal is what I am, an employee is what I am - I am a former druggie - I am not trying to do so - I am. As Popye says " I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam".

Also - Chris - Check around HFs - there are some pretty serious conversations going on about health, environment, politics - lots of religion. You just have to over look the anal sex, blow jobs, magic mushrooms and dreadlocks.

 

I like Anal Sex, Blowjobs, and Dreadlocks.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

I wouldnt say that really, arent these people just "being" ? to say that a body builder is trying to seem tough doesnt really fit the bill, ive known a few body builders that wouldnt say boo to a goose, or a preist is trying to be preistly, i dont think he would be doing that in order to find a peice of culture he fits into, he's just following his religion..... "being."

And these people that seem hippie'ish, its because there "being" hippie'ish not because there desperately trying to be labelled infact its apparent that its quite the opposite.

I like the notion of being you bring up, simple to describe ourselves as just being, i suppose we're all just being no matter what we are all labelled as, very cool man

 

:cheers2:

 

Most priests I've known tried too hard to fill their role and were never able to reach out to their parish because of it; most bodybuilder-types I've known are amongst the biggest wusses I've ever met.
If your experience serves otherwise; such is the diversity of life =)

I have found this to be quite the opposite (I've always found it much more full of "posers" than most cultures), but I see our perspective differs.

Thank you.

 

Yeh i see your point, there are bound to be a lot of people that like to dress the part, listen to the music etc ie talk the talk but dont walk the walk lol that is disapointing, though if that makes them happy then hey, who are we to stand in there way.

Roughly what i meant is the people that meybe i would consider the real deal tend not to want to be labelled as anything be it hippie or otherwise, i tend to get this vibe from your words, because they are not trying to fit in to anything, there free from all that but ironically society has labelled these people as hippies lol theres no escaping it.

Anyway calls us punks, hippies, skaters etc meybe were just best saying we're just human beings but then again that would be like having tins of food without the labels....how would you know where the good stuffs at ? the reason we're on this site is because we googled hippies......because we know the good stuff resides there, so meybe labells could be good in some sence because atleast we know what kind of people we are going to be socialising with, so im cool with that, how hard would have it been to get here if we only googled human beings lol how interested would you have been if it was called humanforums.com lol sounds funny.....thanks for the feedback

 

I personally dont really like labels. Yea they can be helpful for finding like minded people using google, but its not like your going to walk up to someone on the street and go "You a hippy? Cool, Im a hippy, lets be friends" You also get a lot of people who claim to be something they are not, and even use it to take advantage of people. People can use these terms in ways to hurt people or put them down. I dont call myself a "hippy" but I do have a lot of hippy beliefs, it's still insulting when my old boss says Im "all hippy dippy"
Like Rev J was saying, the masses can play up stereotypes to create fear or control.
Then you get the people falling into this stereotype, like hippys are all about sex, drugs, rock and roll. Which then gives truth to the stereotype.
I went out to dinner the other day, our waitress had all kinds of hemp jewelry on, lots of peace signs and a tie dye shirt under her uniform shirt. I overheard some of her conversations and she was angry and hateful, she treated the hostess, who was only trying to help (bussing her tables with ONE ARM happily, becuase she was too lazy to do it) like crap. She was all about partying and getting fucked up. This is why people think hippys are all about drugs.
I do know lots of, I guess, real hippys, who dont do drugs.

Ohh also, I feel like labels put you in a box, gives you a definition of how you are, which can limit you. You put a label on string beans and it goes in a box and they are ok and all, but the string beans picked out of your garden are much better. Which just made me think, labels can limit other people on who the associate with, what they do etc. When i was little I would never eat tomatos that my mom brought home from the store, I just thought I didnt like tomatos. One day my neighbor brought some over, I picked one up bit into it and said "This is the best apple Ive ever had"

 

As I mentioned in other threads, I never called myself a Hippie. That was the ID given to us by the media who needed a word. I guess I was a drop out, as in tune in, turn on, drop out.

I, like many in the late '60s was rebelling against our contrived society, questioning unquestionable values that we had been fed. So, as Ddoright pointed out, I had many labels that I was growing into: Rebel, Doper, Free Luver, Bi, Spiritual Seeker, Socialist, Wanderer, Communal Sharer. I also had long hair, beard, bellbottom Levis, sandals/barefoot, head band, tie dye - things that identified me to outside observers as a "Hippie."