Smoking causes high blood pressure, too, as well as other issues. Just sayin And I've never been big on chocolate unless I'm bleeding from the puss. It's downright medicinal. No joke. But smoking... You'll get healthy faster without sucking on coffin nails.
lol, i don't consider making people take responsibility for their own health vile. i didn't actually make the double standard myself there, i would have if i said smoking but not obesity must be treated this way. i feel less strongly about other health issues. sure it's a big ethical argument and there is no perfect answer but i know who i would prefer to get the resources. its true that there is an aspect of our own responsibility in every thing that happens to us, there's a lot of grey areas in this kind of debate, but as far as smoking and disease goes that is one particular thing where there is a lot of evidence linking them together. it's kind of like... well you jumped off a bridge.. what did you expect to happen? whereas with other linkages the evidence is less clear. It may surprise you that I actually don't presume to tell anyone what to do with their life or body and I have never told someone not to smoke. I highly regard personal choice. I have no problems with people smoking, just as I dislike other people trying to tell me what to do with my life. I don't give much thought or caring into why people smoke. My issue here isn't with the fact that people DO smoke, but that they are a massive health burden on society when they get sick from it and were in full knowledge that it could harm them. In my view breathing toxic chemicals is not much different to choosing to drink drain-o. You go for it, I will probably help you with the same urgency as someone who was born with a defect and is suffering because of it, but my question is, is that fair and just? I know that practically the system will never change, but it's just my opinion. And as for all the what abouts? and what ifs? I agree with arguments on the other side of the fence as well, but I can't deny that there is this idea of self-induced disease which is particularly true with smoking. This is just a passing thought I've had a few times. As for the basic waste of space comment, well that's something you read into what I said, I myself see it as just a simple equation, and in the end lots of people suffer as a result and that is a shame. Am I going to turn people away because they induced their own disease? Probably not. But it's just something interesting to think about, nothing is black and white of course. I would argue that heroin and methamphetamine are more physically addictive than nicotine. But there is also a large psychological addictive quality to it as well.
Well, opinions are opinions. I just believe in humanity, everybody deserves equal treatment. Could say healthcare is wasted on the eldery, some of which actually WANT to die (euthanasia). There are plenty of medical resources that are probably being wasted, it's a shame. However, I gave up smoking after after our chat the other day- I know it's a bad habit. I hope that each and every fat bastard who reads this will put down that pie their eating and do their bit too
Here's a barrel, figured you might want to dig to the bottom of it meow I was trying to be comparative, sorry. On recollection my post did seem a little ambiguous. Point is, amongst over illness both habits garner, heart disease catches up with both parties. You can't turn down a smoking with a bad ticker, and justify treating a 30 stone man with the same problem. I beg your pardon, my spelling AND my wording have been a little out of place
One of the nicest experiences I've had in a long time was going on a date recently with a body builder who actually appreciated that I'm in shape/slim. Sometimes it feels like men are almost programmed in a fat world to "put down" women who try to stay in shape. It sucks to work so hard at cardio and weights and eating right, and then hear, "Oh, being thin/having muscles is ugly on women." If someone says that fat is ugly, they're worse than Hitler. I get tired of it and I've found solace in dating "my own kind."
Different people have different tastes. Everyone respects when someone is able to take good care of themselves (then the community isn't burdened at all); we just aren't so good at positive messages and encouragement. Physically, I don't like muscles on women, and I prefer a thin layer of fat on humans: but you're healthy (you know how long I've been trying to get into shape?!) you should be proud of that on it's own merit. Do you like your body?
after reading four pages of tedious argument over one tiny, inconsequential point, I think i'll put my two cents in. Smokers know smoking is harmful. Alcholics know they're destroying their liver. Drug addicts know they're runing their lives. Just like fat people know they're fat and that their high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease is more than likely related to this. If you genuinely care about someone and are close enough to say something, the only appropriate thing to do is tell them you are worried about them. I don't really see the point in saying "you're a fat ass and its killing you," even if its phrased much nicer than that, because they already know. Letting them know, once or twice but not to the point where it turns into nagging, that their behavior and lifestyle worries you is is more effective than pointing out something they already know. case in point, my brother nags my mom constantly about her smoking, and it only stresses her out and makes her feel bad, so she reaches for a cigarete. I told my mom once that i wanted her around as long as possible, and this made her consider quitting much more seriously than my brother being cruel and blunt about it.
I dont quite understand a comment made by some anonymous person via the internet can be THAT offensive...shes not going to relapse into her eating disorder because someone made a general remark about women letting themselves go.... and its a valid point. at a certain age, women AND men stop taking care of themselves like they should. Maybe the point could have been made in a more sensitive manner, but its just the internet..who really cares? Prevention would cut our country's medical costs down tremendously, and to hell with political correctness...both genders have a personal responsiblity to take care of themselves when they're past the age where vanity is the sole motivation for having a nice body. the day i start being offended by what some dumb shit i dont care about says over the internet is the day i stop using forums like this.
i didnt mean for that to sound as bitchy as it did, sorry 'bout that..after reading page after page of people reacting to one little comment, that i didn't feel was directed at anyone specifically, I just felt the need to weigh in. I was just trying to say that its a huge waste of energy to let some random internet dude influence the way you feel....i could have phrased it a little nicer.
. It was purposely "Godwin's Law" level of hyperbole, but try this the next time you're in a crowd of average Brits, Canadians, or Americans. Make sure half of them are women. Say, "Excess body fat, especially on a woman, is something I personally don't find attractive." Watch insults begin.
It was purposefully a Godwin's Law level of hyperbole. If you're still in a state of disbelief, go into a large group of Brits, Canadians, and Americans, at least half of whom are female, and say this, "I personally don't think being overweight is attractive." I absolutely do. However, you're missing the point. In a fat-centric world, it has become acceptable to make hateful, bigoted assumptions about those who work out and/or are thin, and to state them out loud. The morbidly obese and the thin/in shape people are really the only acceptable targets of bigotry UK or stateside.
I am slowly but surely losing weight myself. I was up to 267 at one point, now I just weighed in at 229. My goal is to get below 200, if possible. Controlling weight in a world where we are encouraged to eat shit food and lay around and watch TV is not so simple - and people are notably cruel to people who are overweight, much more so than people who are under. Which reminds me - my friend who went through chemo for cancer and lost a lot of weight was teased for being an anorexic...how sick is that!?!
That's a little insensitive, I must admit. Out of interest? What prompted your weight loss? Intervention? Personal realization? Just seeing a photograph of yourself? The latter was mine, when I was bigger. I saw a picture of me a couple years before and I was in shock.
Good job, and it’s economical (AP) Too fat to fly? An estimated 100 million Americans will hop on a plane this year. Some of them may be asked to purchase two seats. It's been called the "too fat to fly" controversy. It exploded over the winter, when actor-director Kevin Smith was asked to leave a Southwest flight after the crew determined he was too large to occupy just one seat. The incident sparked a flurry of anger, but the controversy continues. When the reporter posted the topic on its facebook page, it received over 80 comments. Some people believe the two-ticket policy is discriminatory or just plain expensive. They believe the airlines should keep up with the growing trends of americans...offering some super king size seats, moderately priced. Hotwater