parties are decieving. take for example the british labour party who is supposed to be left wing but is anything but that. instead, they are a right wing authoritarian regime that uses the "labour" label. the democrat party in america is anything but democratic. in fact, i dont even know why they have elections in america because the winners are all pre-determined. i cant think of the last time a candidate in the western world has ever represented the people, instead of representing corporations. you can also say the same about the chinese communist party. if they were communist, then what is mcdonalds, walmart, marriot, dell, volkswagon, boeing, airbus, apple, hilton, kfc, pizza hut, and all these other capitalist corporations doing there? even google went back ther on their hands and knees, after saying "do no evil". i guess their new slogan is "do no evil unless i can make a quick buck".
Good lord. Why would you vote for people who are taking away your freedom? Both parties are doing that. I don't vote party lines, I vote AGAINST incumbents. We currently have a ruling class in the country who crave power. Power over you and me. They have to go. Think for yourself. Vote against big government. The government needs to stay out of our lives instead of pretending it cares for us as it attempts to control us more and more. BTW - I couldn't force myself to vote for Obama or McCain, I wrote in Ron Paul's name. For those who think your vote is wasted and don't vote, the only wasted vote is the one that is NOT used. Blow Out Congress!
It's fucking stupid and closed minded to cast all your votes on one party. You're either a partisan or a free thinker.
Not really especially if you live in a close election area. You like party A a lot, you like party B a little bit, while party C scares the shit out of you. There's nothing wrong with voting for party B if party A has no chance of winning you find the payoff of keeping party C out of power worth enough to pick the lesser choice.
i don't vote along party lines, prefer green and peace/freedom, though there i often place a "hold your nose" vote [democrat] locally, politics is all raw greed, i don't think there have been any candidates i've liked around here [small town eastern montana] -- apart from preferring candidates who own property downtown [and thus want to renovate our nearly dead downtown] as opposed to candidates who own property on the west side [who want to bring in a wal-mart] and this county always goes way republican unless the tea-baggers or constitutionalists leave their bunkers and split the vote
Yeah that's only true if you are one of many who actually believe the Democrats and Republicans are actually bitter rivals. The two party system is a ruse, a big government party designed to make it look like you actually have a choice.
Fueled by Coffee, you can support/vote for a party and not agree with every single policy or like TheMadcapSyd mentioned, you could do a little bit of tactical voting. It's only partisan if you "tow the party line" constantly. There are more than two parties in America, you don't have to vote Republican or Democrat. "The two party system is a ruse" is what they said in England too, till this year. I think the term "free-thinker" is a bit pretentious.
If you vote for one party and one party only, you call yourself a Democrat or Republican, conservative, progressive or whatever the fuck you want. You do nothing but give your ideology a label and assign yourself a negative stereotype. For example: If you call yourself a righty, you'll be seen as a tightwad jingoistic church-going xenophobe. Whereas if you call yourself a lefty, you'll be seen as a whiny, self loathing pussy who wants the government to wipe your ass for you. I don't fall under wither of those stereotypes and I don't know want to. Therefore I distance myself from labels.
I'm a vegetarian so supposedly I should be meditating before tucking into a bowl of mung beans. I don't. I don't appose the Iraq or Afghan war, so apparently I'm a warmonger sent by Jehovah to cheer on the deaths of all man kind, or some such nonsense. I don't. I could go on, but you get the point I hope. If you want to be a part of the group of people that have preconceived notions (not necessarily the definitions you or I have said) of a persons "beliefs" based on who they happen to vote for or what they may say on certain issues, fair enough. You are not alone. It also helps with your argument, doesn't it? Everybody who posts in the politics forum has jumped to conclusions about a person based on a fragment of what they have said (including me). It sometimes is true, but mostly is not. To some degree people do fall into the cliches you have just said, that is true. Where it becomes more fair is if you drop those preconceptions and listen further. I guess it depends on if you think voting is worth while. Clearly you don't think so, so you don't bother to fine tune your opinions of somebodies political make-up....and go: "fair enough". Personally I voted for who I did because overall they chimed with my opinions more than the others on certain issues. I think voting is important so I have to pick some party don't I? I don't go as far as associating myself with certain factions within that particular party, though. I do wish there was more choice. I do get your point, I honestly do...I just think it is not as simple as you suggest.
the issue shouldnt be what political party. voting in these elections hardly matters. thats not how things are going to change, with a new president. they are all going to do the same thing. elections are pretty much irrelevant. the people that pull the strings, and actually run things arent elected or democratically selected at all. politicians are just puppets
Republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin. They are all fucking politicians, so I dont trust any of them one bit. I dont vote, I dont support a broken system.
In order to have a chance of being elected, a candidate has to run as either a Republican or a Democrat as running under a third party most often only assures the lesser desired of the Republican or Democrat candidate becomes elected. In stead of allowing the parties, Democrat or Republican to determine who will be their parties candidate, the voters should be more active in the primaries and provide the party with a candidate that they support, and the party should accept that candidate and give him/her their full support. We have allowed the political parties to replace the people in "Government of the people, for the people, by the people", and that has allowed the special interest groups, corporate, union, financial, etc. to pull the strings and produce the laws under which we live.
when that's possible . . . for the 2008 republican primary in montana, the party leaders held a closed-door caucus and picked the nominees
Fill in some of the details, I'm not from Montana, and haven't even lived in the U.S. for over 13 years.
they voted like this: Candidate, Votes, Percentage, Delegates Mitt Romney, 625, 38.34%, 25 Ron Paul, 400, 24.54%, 0 John McCain, 358, 21.96%, 0 Mike Huckabee, 245, 15.03%, 0 Alan Keyes, 2, 0.12%, 0 Total, 1630, 100%, 25 since mitt romney won the caucus, he got the delegates, despite the oddities of the "popular" vote . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Republican_caucuses,_2008 http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/MT-R.phtml silly republicans . . .