Adam and 4000 BC

Discussion in 'Sanctuary' started by ForestsEchoLaughter, Jun 8, 2010.

  1. Ddoright

    Ddoright Senior Member

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    Just a point of curiosity - why do you not capitalize God when speaking of the only true God?
     
  2. thedope

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    God is not confined to form, beyond all symbols. My love is greater than ritual.
    I've done it on purpose to demonstrate the inconsistency of a certain approach.
    If there is only one god why two spellings? Do we think that I have somehow denigrated god by not capitalizing a word?
     
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    It is gibberish man. Doubletalk is a better name. He gets his kicks from it. I'm not too sure about you.
     
  4. worldsofdarkblue

    worldsofdarkblue Banned

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    Actually, I didn't call it gibberish. Another said that it appears that way to him. I was expressing relief that I wasn't the only one who didn't understand it.
     
  5. ForestsEchoLaughter

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    What? Honestly man, it's just a show of respect. I don't know what "two spellings" you mean either, we're talking about capitalization. Also the term "god" is often used to talk about a god amongst others. "God" denotes the one supreme source.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes, some of what you say does contain God's perfect word but then so did what Satan said to Jesus, when Jesus was being tempted contained gods perfect word. That doesn't make you or Satan correct in your use of God's word.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    You said:
    In other words by your saying that what Paul wrote under inspiration was wrong and something he might want to take back, you are saying that what you have received under "inspiration" may also be wrong and something you might want to take back some day.(2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21)

    It would also seem to indicate that the Holy Spirit isn't very useful as a guide.
     
  8. sathead

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    You guys take the cake for trusting each other to believing that the word is sacrilege or holiness. A Novel inspiration please.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    Thanks. :D

    But you seem to be that one saying that it doesn't matter what I say or that there may be other ways of looking at it and only you are right. But then that doesn't seem to be anything new for you. ;)
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    Thanks, I have found you gracious in participating in this discussion as well.
    . . .always ready to make a defense . . .(1 Peter 3:15)
    Maybe we'll discuss this another time.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Well let's look at a couple.

    I have said that judgment is the original and root of all sin.
    Both Jesus and God judge does that make them sinners? (Acts 10:42)

    I have said that Jesus offering his life was an act of incredible devotion, love, not an act of sacrifice.
    Yes , it was an act of incredible devotion and love but it was also a sacrifice. (1 Corinthians 5:7)
     
  12. thedope

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    No that is not what I said. I said that Paul's own zealous enthusiasm is included in what he wrote. I would immediately give the example of his saying it is better not to marry. That is a personal preference in regards to his own perspective.
    I have talked to you before about the colorizing remarks made by authors. I don't know where we get the idea that Jesus' disciples suddenly became infallible saints.

    I retract my speculation that Paul would like to apologize for some things as that idea is the result of a wholly subjective ecstatic mystical experience and does not make a point that we could ever agree on. If I were to cultivate this idea for general consumption, then I would be guilty of adding my own "colorizing remarks".
     
  13. thedope

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    You are talking about cultural convention, i.e. a show of respect. This provision has nothing to do with loving god with all your might and your brother as yourself. Ritualistic observances are put forth for the sake of "hardness of heart". Just as the greatest commandments fulfill the whole law, communion transcends ritual. God is in my heart and in my mind and on my breath in every moment. Again, do I offend god by not capitalizing a word?
    Honestly man?
     
  14. thedope

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    What?
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

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    Paul did not say it would be better not to marry but that he wished others would remain as single as he was possibly so they could spend more time spreading the good news but he was not saying that it was wrong to marry and was not condemning those who did.
    I have no belief that Jesus' disciples were infallible saints. Peter made a mistake and was corrected by Paul. But when writing the Scriptures, God did not allow things to be written that should be ignored.
    Okay.
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    In other words anyone can quote God's perfect word but doing so does not make the way they use it correct.

    I perfect example of this is when Satan tempted Jesus;

    Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple and said to him: “If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’” (Matthew 4:5-6)

    Even though Satan quoted God's perfect word, he did not use it correctly and Jesus corrected him.

    Jesus said to him: “Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’” (Matthew 4:7)
     
  17. thedope

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    I do not judge him, he has his own judge. God's judged the world very good. Man was deceived by the idea that the knowledge of good and evil would make him like god. Fact, we were already created in the likeness and image of god. Satan was a liar from the beginning. We create in the same way god creates, we speak. By our words we are justified and by our words we are condemned. We are liable for every careless word we utter. It is your blessing that redeems the world and it is your curse that condemns it, in real time.

    I desire mercy not sacrifice, go and learn what this means. This is exceedingly important. The idea of proxy sacrifice is unacceptable. It is a form of money changer in the temple. Jesus was demonstration of the proper investment. Complete and total investment in God and your Brother
     
  18. thedope

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    I didn't suggest that he said it was wrong to marry, I said better not to. And how about possibly because being married could represent a divided devotion, a struggle to balance our affections. I had a marriage that broke up in large part because my spouse was jealous of my devotion to god. She did not appreciate my equal treatment of all brothers and sisters. She felt that I should side with her in her arguments with others.
    I don't ignore what is written. I am regarding it in a different light than you do. How is it that Paul makes corrections? If Paul can correct Peter than cannot you correct Paul? If god makes perfect in regards to the bible, then why does god not make perfect in all things?
     
  19. thedope

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    You mean like you say Jesus sacrificed himself because you quote something Paul said and I say he did not because I quote something Jesus said?
     
  20. thedope

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    By our words we are justified. The flavor of our experience is determined by the quality of those things we speak from the abundance of our heart. Where your treasure lies there lay your heart also. The abundance of your heart is your decided model of good, those things you value.
     

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