Spiritual experience on an opiate?

'love' is a purely biological reaction. im not sure if i understand your question there buddy

 

I sure like the way I see "reality" and I can connect with Querillabedlam on this subject. I enjoy my reality that contains Spirit. Its so beautiful and mysterious and permeates through my whole perception and philosophy of the cosmos. I find that taking the "spirit" out of drug use and seeing it only as brain chemistry would take all the adventure and mystery out of it for me. I feel one can have a "Spiritual Experience" with absolutely anything, just depends on their perception.

 

well, have fun with your delusions.

 

you answered it, many do not hold, in my opinion such cynical views regarding this type of phenomena and it certainly cannot be passed off as fact. A measuring of eletrical impulses really says nothing about subjective experience and both of these phenomena have led to all sorts of various creative and respectable actions.

You seem to be viewing spirituality and love as stagnant things when I myself view it as a continuously developing thing.

 

Not delusions, perceptions

 

perception IS delusion

 

What's your point of living if your whole existence is a delusion?

 

indeed it is! I am having fun with mine and they do bring me joy. Are you happy with yours? I mean your completely correct in everything you have said but do you take joy in it?

 

you make a good point. too often people fail to observe the world around them critically; they believe what is taught to them. but just because most of the world believes in 'god' and 'spirituality' and all that mumbo-jumbo doesn't make it fact either.

i don't see love and spirituality as 'stagnant'. i see them as intangible. as the human race evolves and logic and reason defeats fear and uncertainty, i think we will do away with things like spirituality and love. what does one gain from so-called 'spirituality' that one can't attain from self-observation?

and im not saying that drugs have no uses. the funny thing is that i came to my 'cynical' conclusions partially from the use of entheogens.

 

i didn't really have a choice in the matter, BRAH

i try not to attach myself to delusions like 'joy' and 'happiness', but to answer the question without sounding like an overly-philosophical retard, yea i enjoy my delusions sometimes, they can be fun, but what i enjoy more is breaking down the barriers that blind me. i think it's important to cull away unnecessary distractions such as these. i just don't see the value in it.

 

That sounds like a pretty lame existence to me. A 'Joyless' 'happyless' 'spiritless' 'loveless' existence. Is that truly a logical and reasonable way to live?

That sounds automatic and robotic.

 

Yes I understand. I guess what I'm trying to say is I do the same but I take joy in doing such. I don't intend to be blinded or misguided by my joy but take it as a bodily feeling or condition while I trim my mind and make my Spirit impeccable.
These things are so challenging to communicate without contradicting yourself in someway. I suppose this is one of my greatest challenges to face.

 

as much as i dislike religion, it's one of the only things i can appreciate about buddhism and hinduism- non attachment

 

yea its one big contradiction if you start thinking too hard about it.

 

yea but it's much better than being naive about it

 

I don't see how someone can say that there is no such thing as spirituality, or a soul for that matter when it is pretty much impossible to come to that conclusion. There are many things in the universe that man can't and will never be able to fully understand. Saying something isn't there because you can't see or touch it is a rather ill-logical way of thinking. Everyone knew the earth was flat, they were wrong. Everyone knew the earth was at the center of the universe, they were wrong.
You see what I am saying? Man does not have the means or capacity to fully comprehend everything.

 

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I don't get it. Does that mean I'm an asshole or just spoke some truth?

 

It means you bright and sparkly and smell like winter!

 

it means your post was a contradiction. i know this is the drug forums, but please formulate a well-thought out response next time instead of posting gibberish