Or maybe.....you just should not have random sex? You know, that goes along with the whole, no sex until marriage thing. It wasn't that hard to do. I did it ending only last year.
I do not know the exact situation, but I do believe the principal or chaplain ended up speaking with the student. It is not about forgiveness in this case, but of the girl choosing life over death. The reason I said "especially catholics" because other groups do use contraception whereas Catholics view conceptionless sex as a self-gratification by using another's body. I agree to a degree. In todays society there seems to be this focus on me me me and now now now. People can have relatively consequence free sex, which should really be a huge decision. It is also a sad example of someone not knowing just what the Church teaches. And if it isn't covered in curriculum, or preached about at Mass--people often do not know.
they have the right and they SHOULD develop compassion .... sadly in the case of teh catholic church, compassion is against how they built their power base .... and comapassion should only follow education... it's hard to be compassionate with someone when the first thing they say is "this could have been avoided if you told me how" agreed... and thankfully thousands are now speaking out against the catholic churches misdemeanors do some research into the nazi's and the (then) pope during the 1940's, it'll open your eyes google Torquemada while yer in a historical research mood too .... that'll make you wish you kept your eyes shut (but the knowledge will still serve you well)
How was that a case of life over death?? You said she dropped out of school because she feared she would be kicked out for having a baby? Nothing about abortion. So, are you saying that she won't be forgiven? She did the Catholic thing in the sense of not using contraception. So maybe the school should focus on helping their kids understand that if they do become pregnant outside of marriage, they won't just be kicked out of school. I don't agree with just having sex with random people either, but if a friend of mine did and got pregnant I would stand by her and hope that she wouldn't feel like she was going to be ostracised for it.
I missed this bit. I'm not Catholic, but I have a pretty good idea of what they agree or disagree with. She must have heard something that made her drop out over fear of being kicked out. So, if it wasn't covered in the curriculum or preached about at Mass - where did she find reason to believe she wouldn't be able to stay at the school once pregnant?
or... maybe you could let minors (and as you have been talking about a school, i presume we are talking about people who are not yet mature) choose their own faiths when they become adults... which imo is how it should be the very term "catholic school" reeks of institutionlisaton and brainwashing to me .... very repungent indeed the catholic church (and many other faiths) should make the age of confirmation 21 at a MINIMUM, typically it's at 13, often it's at a bishop or cardinals discression ......... how on earth do you expect anyone to make a decision about faith and religion at 13?? at the very least a religion should let people become fully educated (either by others or themselves) about all the options available to them, not to mention the massive variety of cultural and social lifestyles humans enjoy.... informed decision making is key, children have had neither the time or experience necessary. Celebacy before marraige is great for those that choose to walk that path, but there is no way on earth that any child should think that is the ONLY option (and certainly not think that any other option is wrong)...... catholics treat their kids as if faith is a genetic or social trait that is transfered from parent to child.. it isn't... i'm just glad i'm alive in a time when people are aware more than ever of their individuality, and turning their back on such dogma, fear mongering and persecution as millions have suffered at the hands of the catholic church still, others have said this far better than i ever could, have a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zb0-yI3q9A"]YouTube- The Intelligence² Debate - Stephen Fry (Unedited)(Part 1/2)
firstly i'm curious as to how you know about what should have been an extremely private conversation between a pregnant girl and her principal? i'm even more curious to why the student in question needed to be talked to privately, surely the pupils know (or at least have the opportunity to know) school policy on every issue.... it used to be law that parents and pupils had access to every area of school policy, i guess that changed? or maybe the law doesn't apply to catholic schools? if not, it most certainly should... or catholics schools are literally herding the ignorant sheep into the pen, Grim if the girl had had an abortion, would the school and church have still welcomed her? again, informed decsion making without consequences from your peers.... how can you expect a teenager to be an individual without it? that's the point... why isn't it part of the curriculm or preached about at mass? how can you expect an intelligent, free thinking individual to join a church if every stance, opinion and rule the church has isn't open, easily accessable and free? I'm not a catholic, as you might have guessed, but i do have strong ties with catholics... and researched much of the churches history... and the only conclusion i can come to, is that if the prophecies of St Malachi are right, the world will become a much better place humans have grown out of being controlled through ignorance and fear, the catholic churches biggest fault, is that it was too scared to grow with us
I think we give teenagers less credit than they deserve. I believe at that age many people can decide for themselves if they wish to partake in a particular faith. This particular teenager has his own youtube channel and has been a Christian apologist since he was 12.
Hahahhaa, the poor believers! If I was God, I would amalgamate the damned higher mammals, roll up a sort of an ongoing orgie, and sit back with that shit I done lit. :ssmokeit:
If I was God, I would chill out and roll up a fat blunt of love with my creation :tree: < That's me as God carrying Blunt of love
i can't speak for or against the boy in the link....... i've never spoken to him, but ty anyway i'm talking more broadly... if you believe in an existance after physical death (which seems to be a part of most religions) then a choice of faith and religion is truly MASSIVE, not to mention that the choice will also force you to make many lifestyle decisions while you are on Earth, dictating how you will live are some teens capable of making such decisions, sure. i'm not underestimating them...at nine years old many girls will be expected to marry and raise a family (as soon as they are physically capable) in many cultures but to expect the children of an entire congregation, or as with the topic at the moment, a school to have had teh experience and education to formally enter a church? i don't have to tell you the answer, you were a kid once... and presumably knew lots of others...... how many of those still follow the same religion of their parents?
Np. You say that it'll change their lifestyle choices. Maybe those lifestyle choices is a good thing? I kinda agree with you with your last point. The idea should be presented to them (as all ideas should), but it shouldn't be an expectation on the students. I don't however believe that there is anything wrong with open invitation. As for your last statement, I don't really know. Many do remain as the faith of their parents while others don't. Dunno the statistics of that.
The point though, people live and learn and there are times where we have to decide when it is and not ok to allow someone to move ahead with a choice. Just like that 16 year old girl that chose to sail the oceans bt later had to stop because she was in danger. If she had not been in that situation, and had actually succeeded, we may end up applauding her instead of it increasing our worries about whether or not we should have allowed her to follow her wishes.
I had a theology of teaching class at University with said principal. He didn't use names but used it as an example of how us teachers do need to teach solid doctrine. She wouldn't have been kicked out if she had an abortion either. I am sure just the way she felt, because of how Catholics and other Christians are portrayed in the media as judgemental arrogant people, rather than simply approaching someone to talk to was a factor in her decision. Because people are lazy.
My guess is peers, or media. Even on here, you cannot deny that CAtholics seem to be characterized as a brainwashing cult that hates any sort of individualism. Maybe she was confusing Catholics with other Christians who are less accepting. Maybe she wasn't Catholic, and since it wasn't covered in the curriculum (no sex until marriage--and then no contraception, no abortions) probably is, but this may not be.
no offense,, but someone that age hasnt had the fear of GOD placed in them, unless they're parents are total aholes.. Being somewhere or anywhere, and a world of hurt if coming down upon you. I feel then you can believe and do all the prophesizing you want.. Other than this is just another BS bible class.. I guarantee a week with the Taliban that kid will change his tune..
This is very Catholic of you. We have the belief that our sufferings can be offered with Christ's through faith (we are the Body of Christ, right?) as a redemptive offering. All of our suffering is united through Christ.
Suffering, while it can unite us, and change us, doesn't allow us to do it directly, actively. At least not to our satisfaction. lol We all speak different languages. Some resemble eachother more closely than others. We're not really as lazy as we like to believe. The words are what they are, but our meanings can be transformed sharing love. Love can be an argument, but suffering really only amounts to a complaint.
