Bible Questions? III

Agreed. I think learning can aid in understanding, but it is not a requirement.

Honestly, you are right about what attracted me initially.

In reference to faith as an intellectual exercise, I do think that it does have some place in faith. Lectio Divina (Benedictine) is as much a spiritual as intellectual exercise . Although the process is an of itself, not intellectual (it is a series of prayers on a passage from Scripture) there is an intellectual component in that it helps us memorize Scripture, but is mostly a contemplative exercise. Check it out, I had a change to experience the practice and found it quite fruitful.

 

I'll check it out. Which series of prayers should I try?

The Bible does have a memetic quality to it and I think it was meant to be this way. I remember scriptures that I haven't read for some time in times when I am wondering of something. There is a process of scripture interpreting scripture, though and it is a mental exercise but you described it better than I could.

You heard his voice

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectio_Divina#The_Four_Moments
This is the process I responded to most, and can remember.

On a side note, Scripture cannot interpret itself.

Another pretty darn good resource: http://www.fisheaters.com/lectiodivina.html

NOTE: Fisheaters, although it is a great resource for Catholic beliefs and practices, has serious fidelity issues. See: http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=1915

 

2 Peter 3:16
-As also in all his [Paul] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. (Douay)

-Speaking of this as he [Paul] does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. (RSV)

Learning is not necessarily a requirement for salvation, but one cannot begin, I think, to understand the literal sense (what the authors intended) of Scripture without it.

 

I have to admit you are pretty good at trying to twist what is said but I have never judged you as sinning, sin is a given for mankind at this time, so there is no need for me to judge you as a sinner.

What I have said though is that because what you profess as your beliefs seem many times contrary to what the Bible says, that you are mislead and yes, because of love of neighbor that does worry me.

 

OWB to thedope:

lol

I was never christened. Free of sin, thanks to my poor atheist parents.

I'm happy to judge you if you like. Just letting you know before I start, I'm taking the side of thedope in this matter. I may not understand exactly why he is a christian, but I can tell he is naturally friendly, a person I'd always welcome. You make piety look like hard work.

Cheers,

Dejavu


(p.s. no need to to answer my question on page 54 now, I waded back through the thread.)

 

I john 3:6-10:
No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him. Little children let no one deceive you. He who does right is righteous as he is righteous. He who commits sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The reason the son of god appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of god commits sin: for gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of god. By this it may be seen who are the children of god; and who are the children of the devil; whoever does not do right is not of god, nor he who does not love his brother.

There is no need to waterbrother, but you have judged me because you have thought your self right to do so according to you interpretation of the bible. Or you say you do not, but the bible does. You are simply mistaken.
If you find yourself a sinner, repent and be redeemed in Christ.

 

Yes and I have pointed it out to you many times.

You are the one who brought up the Hindu scriptures and in the Hindu scriptures you will find that there are millions of gods. So what do you believe? Are there millions of gods or only one?

I have called you mislead many times but you are not a liar unless you know what you say is untrue and you say it anyway.

Hero worship? Who do you think Jesus is?

1 Timothy 6:3-4

And your point?

 

Yes, the Bible is the "yardstick" for christian faith.

Yes, the whole of Christian truth is found within the Bible’s pages but no, outside material can be helpful but is non-authoritative.

Yes.

Even the Bible says that we can learn much about God from the things made but there are many things about God that can not be learned anywhere other than the Bible.

This is the best I can do, as I am still some what unsure what is being asked.

 

Hate to break it to you but not being "christened" does not free one of sin.

 

Okay.

My question was really two-fold. Are the previous beliefs found in Scripture?

 

But I have not judged you nor have I thought it right to do so. I merely point out that you seem to disagree with what the Bible says:
(1 Kings 8:46) “In case they sin against you (for there is no man that does not sin)
(Ecclesiastes 7:20) For there is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin.
(Proverbs 20:9) Who can say: “I have cleansed my heart; I have become pure from my sin”?
(Romans 3:23) For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
(1 John 1:8) If we make the statement: “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us.

As for finding myself a sinner, I merely agree with what the Bible says.

As for being "redeemed in Christ", how can that be, since you say the Christ has no sacrifice to redeem us with?

 

Liar or no waterbrother.

Not someone to worship.

I asked you for scripture as to why you think Jesus would not agree with me and you give us a description of yourself.

The point is the definition of worry is anxiety and trouble, the antonym or opposite of worry is calmness and reassurance. Love bears all things believes all things, hopes all things, which is equal to reassurance. Worry is an opposite to love.

 

There is a drug that causes people to see virgins in oil stains, think bits of bread are the body of some man who died two thousand years ago, shuts down most of the brain and replaces it with uncritical and blind acceptance of the most absurd notions.

This drugs causes child abuse, war, genocide, fraud and almost every other crime one can imagine. Both legal and encouraged it's use has perverted the World and caused countless suffering.

It's name is religion.


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(Romans 1:20) . . .For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship. . .
(2 Timothy 3:16-17) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

 

Lucy, you got some esplannin to do.

So you agree with I John 3:6-10?

Sarcasm waterbrother?
Christ gave his whole life to show us the way, through love and forgiveness.

 

Do you know that what you say is untrue?

You are the one who brought up worship, I asked who you thought Jesus was? Is he the Son of god or not?

Really?

And who continues to debate words?

Wait!

Oh, it is you that continues to debate words.

 

Just a reminder you are in Sanctuary and you might want to read the guidelines for Sanctuary before you comment.

 

Yes you do.

Yes.

No.

Why yes he did, he sacrificed his life for us but I thought you said he didn't sacrifice anything and so if that is true how can he redeem us?

 

What I say is not untrue.

I said I'm not into hero worship and you asked who I thought Jesus was and I said not someone to worship. That is my answer. Jesus is brother to all children of god.

Yes, Really