The Psychedelic loop or cycle

Has anyone else noticed a cyclic components to their trips? I was able to intellectually grasp it on one hit of acid (details are extremely murky, but something about the way human social interaction and existence in an of itself functioned as an array of infinitesimal cycles, which were constantly cycling around each other and themselves, and the whole operated on its own cycle.

I've experienced it directly on salvia and DMT. I don't think it was a break through dose of DMT, but it was more than I was prepared for (I also chose a shitty setting). As I tried to shut my window, I realized it looked different. It was still a window, but the glass was divided differently. This freaked me out a little and I staggered to the bed. After laying down for a couple of seconds, I took my glasses off and looked at them. My glasses had oval frames. The ones I held in my hand were sleeker over all and had rectangular frames. This observation immediately led to a conclusion in my altered mind: I must be somebody else. Oddly enough, this was accompanied by a sensation of deja vu, which was what allowed me to keep my composure. Immediately after the sense of deja vu, my first thought was, "Oh no I'm back here it's happening again I can't escape it I'll keeping going back to normal reality but will always inevitably wind up here" (not word for word obviously, but that's the gyst of it). A couple of seconds later I said to my, "No you are not stuck here, it's just DMT...chill." My room still looked like my room, although it wasn't until a few minutes later when I could confidently say it was MY room. Normal methods of making such an assessment, such as looking at the posters on my wall, proved significantly less fruitful while under the influence of DMT.

I've had a very similar sensation of being stuck in an infinite loop involving the perpetual return to a strange meta-reality / purgatory / something else entirely while on Salvia.

anyone feel me?

 

I know exactly what you're talking about, but I think that it's actually not cyclical (though we perceive it so most of the time due to our one-dimension thought), but rather it's fractal, and fractal patterns have the same properties as cyclical patterns in this context.

Even in how you describe it; loops of things which are themselves loops of things which are themselves loops things . . . etc. This is the fractal nature of reality; it applies to everything, absolutely everything. In fact if you can think of something it does not apply to, you just don't know enough about that thing

Cyclical is a GREAT way to sort of "down-translate" the concept for people who haven't been there themselves, because people who have not experienced psychedelia have no idea what it means when you say "you are fractal", they just think "lewl druggie talk", but everyone understands cyclical behaviour.

My friend describes the same thing as boot-strap situations, or boot-strap problems, if they are negative, and usually in the context of human behaviour.

McKenna said that users of psychedelics are like fishermen, but we bring back ideas and concepts. We are not interested in the little tiny fish that are so inconsequential as to be laughable (My nose is short!) nor are we interested in the behemoths that cannot even fit on our boat (~), what we are interested in are the medium-sized fish, the ones we can catch, bring to shore, and feed the village with.

I think this is one such fish, the thing you are describing. It is as fascinating as it is beautiful how different people can bring the same fish to shore, and it may look so different at first, but when you put it in your mouth, a ha! I have eaten this one before

 

I just watched the movie Triangle where this woman is doing things in a loop and not memorizing it's a loop before it starts over again. It got me thinking about my "psychedelic loops" I decided to do some research and ended up on this forum.

I was amazed that I weren't the only one who have had these loops.
Then when I read the second post about fractals I was even more amazed.

Have you got any sources for the fractal issue? I'm a bit disturbed as I can't stop thinking about how everything makes it seems like our consciousness is following this fractal patterns. I even was reliefed when I read that I'm not the only one seeing this. Was worried I was starting to get crazy about all these fractal-ideas in my head.

The fractal might just be another model, or another way to percieve the fourth dimension, time!

What do you think, and please tell me more about fractals?

 

Dont have much to add but I feel you ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8KYOANsLi8"]YouTube- Subnation - Scottie

lol

 

I know what you are talking about. Though, with writers metaphor, I think it might be too big of a fish to totally bring back. Thats been my experience with it so far. I just don't know what to do with the information or how to completely describe it.

I like both of your descriptions though. I think it might be hard to relate the fish and I feel like maybe you guys are slightly separated on what your talking about, maybe in the details.

Regardless, nice post mangos.

 

you did the same thing yesterday, as you did today.. nothing has changed really.. unless you put on the gossip tv. Generally I feel as Im outside this so called loop, The loop is created by this society to well.. Put it in simple terms TO MAKE MONEY..
Its not difficult to see this. Some people cant sit still for 5 minutes, and some people cant shut the fuck up for 5minutes.. CNN. like something is always going on. But is it?
Its the same thing over and over. Ive seen that commercial, Its Xmas again.. Seems kinda boring dont it?...
All for the sake of the might dollar.. The system moves accordingly to that.. But we human have become lazy in the productivity of something thats monumental.. You are not a pyramid builder, a slave able to look back at something so massive. It will be there for a life time, Of whos, lifetime? ..

Mankind in our time constructs massive projects, or course they will be here for a life times.. But do you really really care about some underwater tunnel that took man 5 yrs to build. When it may have taken 100's of yrs to build the pyramids, or just one..
Could you imagine building that, then you die, your son helps build it, then his son.. Like ANT with no conscious at all.. Must be some conscious right?? what has kept you going through this loop of the same..

What all is this loop, eat, sleep, fuck, shit, work, think..
Not much has changed outside th box really.. You master must do the same thing.. Are you sleeping when your master sleeps, when they eat.. how do you get out of this loop, cross the dead sea? nothing changed outside the fact your wondering around looking for some shit to do now, following around a clown that pretending to be G-D.. What was so bad about building for the Pharaohs. To hold that much energy together at once and accomplish monuments, that are still here today,, what loop did the escapees fall into? ..

Wondering wondering wondering aimless though the desert.. Nice LOOP Moses..

We are builders still, Maybe just building IDEA's since fantasy remains as long as anything else.. people are still looping the jesus story.. Its like a broken record actually to some... for Fucking Real. Is that all christains have to dream about, Loop about... Whats the Galactic goal?> The universal whole truth.. Not this same old LOop.. .In the beginning, yeah heard that one already..

and of course Ive looped the same ol same elements to the same ol same.. nothing has changed, unless you look at it differently ..:eggnog:

 

Fractals, spirals, cycles, etc. If you look for them, you will see them. Everywhere.

 

the first time I tripped I was listening to a song that had a very tribal, primal beat, and in my mind I could picture people thousands of years ago banging on drums and dancing to the same beat, and it occurred to me that all of time occurs at once and that we are just as connected to people that lived 5000 years ago as we are to our own neighbors.

the last time i tripped, i was laying down in the woods beside two of my best friends staring up at the stars and I saw pink lines connecting all the stars, the trees, and my friends. Interconnectedness. I didnt realize it at the time, but now i realize that these interconnecting pink lines were forming fractals.

I started doing research on the theory of relativity and quantum entanglement, which is really super fascinating. The theory of relativity, and other related theories, of course says that time is relative and that what we percieve as linear time does not actually exist. It is much more cyclical than that. And quantum entanglement, which has actually been proven and is not a theory, says that when two particles interact, after they go on their individual way, they will still always be connected and can interact with each other not just through space but time as well....

Its really awesome to me that most people that have done hallucinogenic drugs realize these things, even if they cannot put them into the same words that the physics community would use to describe them. I think hallucinogens create new pathways in our brain that allow us to perceive the universe as it really exists.

I also think that hallucinogens have probably played a very powerful role in human evolution. I would like to research this more.

 

a friend of mine describes those cycles more as layers. We have cells in our body that form a whole, who is to say that we are not just cells forming a greater whole? Maybe the universe is not empty space with planets and earth and life, but instead the body of a person that is not really a person, but just another tiny cell working with other cells to make up something larger than itself. And it just repeats itself, on and on and on. Like the old slushee cups, anyone remember those? With the dog holding the cup that had a picture of the dog holding the cup, and it just kept repeating and repeating....ah i miss slushees!

 

I know what you mean. I think when we get tripping hard we go to our "place" in our mind and that's why it's familiar. That or we see memories from our spirit that are from a different lifetime.

Spooky shit, huh?

 

When dead your living self is stripped away to you being a latent possibility of the universe.. ie: the universe can recreate you,, just like it can re-create a particular snowflake or galaxy..

If your manifestation (body) is gone the code of your essence remains.. It resides in a dimension where time and distance have no meaning... It is everywhere and nowhere, just like any other latent possibility of the Universe...

If your body plunges into a black hole your manifestation is gone, but the code of your essence remains, as its a property of the Universe entirely..

YOU are a direct consequence of the laws that govern the universe. YOU are as fundamental as the speed of light or the force of gravity.. .

It doesnt matter where or how you live or die, but you cant keep taking your own life, though somehow you can, but not in vain like, you cant hang yourself intentionally, I think negative consequences will ocure , but accidentally, well not exacly sure. hehe. ... Well like with computer programs, the installation may crash but that has no bearing on the existence of the code of the program...it just cycles it again and again.. and again and again...

 

Can consciousness 'evolve' to hold matter to itself indefinitely? It'd be no fun if we couldn't help it along.

To either reach or get beyond all consequence, maybe we have to do something drastic, like legalize magic. lol

 

i would like to sit down and take all of the theorys people have on this stuff and get a group of people and try to figure out what is what. but first i would have to get a big pile of weed because this shit makes me paranoid after thinking about it for a while.

 

I would like to get a group of people and put them into the Large Hadron Collider..

 

The chillout room looks alright.

 

haha lets get a big group of people, a shitload of weed, and make our way to the hadron collider. did you guys hear about the guy thats claiming to be from the future, come back to warn us of messing around with that thing....maybe he would want to smoke with us and discuss this stuff as well

 

Great response!

I like the way your squirl signature can represent a loop orison319

Codmouse: Maybee it's a slight difference in what we are talking about, but then again it's only in the details, as this aplies to everything.

I think psychedelics just uncovers more of the whole reality, you let go of your previous norms and have the possibility to see the world from an absolutely neutral point of view (and mixed up with all of your sensations of course )

To explain it in Freuds terms I think you diffuse the limit between ego and id. You simply get closer to your subconcious and instincts.

This is a really interessting subject, too bad research on this field is illegal and have to be underground. We should have our own team in CERN =P

I bet the guys who wrote and directed The Matrix have had their serious hippie trips It's all patterns.

 

I think it's misleading to say psychedelics uncover more of the whole of reality. Most of the lessons they've taught me have been personal ones, but I'd say the most significant, impersonal one was the realization of just how arbitrary our perceptions really are. Once you realize that, it's impossible not to see everything differently.

 

on lsd+ketamine+pot i was on in a seemingly never-ending cycle that consisted of dissolving completely into fractals and coming back to "humanity"...probably every 10 seconds or so this would happen. it was terrifying

:eggnog:

when i was younger i knew a girl who was addicted to dxm who told me about her "thought circles and figure-eights". interesting stuff.