Its not fair. People pay for these obscure "RC's" recieve them in the mail with a shit-eating grin as if they got away with something they shouldnt have, then ingest them. Aftewards they go post detailed information about the experience they had. They are performing the research turning a chemical with no human trials what so ever into a a fully researched chemical. In my hometown Mylan pharmaceuticals pays its clients to research new drugs and perform clinical trials. Im talking like $6,000 dollars per testing session. On the other hands users of RC's are paying to be the test subject ITS NOT FAIR. Nevertheless we still do it. I know this sounds whiny, I needed a topic for my first post. thought this would spark some discussion.
Then be a test subject man. I know I would if I had the chance. Maybe... Actually, when you do that you sign a contract to do what they say. If the chemical has negative effects that you think are altering you as a person you still have to take it. That wouldn't be fun. When you take an RC though you get to stop if you want to and do it in a good setting, dose, etc.
Novum Pharmaceutical Research Services my friend stayed there a week, they paid him $700.00 to test some cream.. I suppose jerkin off for a week and getting paid 700.00 isnt that bad of an Idea.. idk..
Absolute crazyness init! I feel the notion with the research drugs and buying them online is nutts! As you say its using people who just wanna get high- people have no idea what shit they are taking or what its ment for- I say stick to proper drugs and of course experiment and still be adventurous just be aware these drugs arent out there to help you party they are there so they get free guinea pigs, that even PAY!!! ... If trying a new drug, do look it up, im a 'hippie criter' as i have myself taken many things in the past ive had no idea what it really is- Your health is vital,remember that next time you order something unknown!
I would rather take alot of the available RC's over some heroin or crack that you find on the streets. At least I know what my product is through meke reagent testing and I can weigh out a proper dose to get where I need or want to be at. And I don't have to continue redosing or take a scheduled amount if I were getting paid to do it, RC's are not for daily use imo. But if a company wanted to pay someone to take RC's and give a detailed report I'm sure many people would want to do that.
They pay you to test psychedelic RCs? Seems unlikely to me...other untested drugs sure, but psychs?...eh.
^^^^Agreed. There is a chance that once in a rare while that maybe someone will get the chance to test out a psychedelic RC but i suppose most of the time at these places you are just trying out other kinds of drugs. Some of which may even have negative effects on your body as codmouse said. Also as codmouse said, when you buy your own RCs online if you dont like the effects you dont have to continue taking them, but when you are a guinea pig for one of these companies you most often have to stick through the course of experiments if you wish to get payed. They aren't going to FORCE you to stay there and take their drugs, but if you dont like the effects and leave early you wont get payed. I suppose there and pros and cons to this situation.
What are you talking about? What do you think all the reports are? Reports of "human trials", dude. Also it's illegal to ingest most of these RC's in the USA, so nobody would pay you to do so. The only reason any of this is fucked up is because the drug laws in the USA are FUCKED UP. You know what they say about life, right? But seriously, it is fair. They pay you to take drugs you wouldn't take without compensation. Because you'd HAVE to be paid to take drugs you have no interest in taking. There has to be some incentive given or you won't do it. YOU pay to take drugs you want to take. Simple as that. Not hard to understand.
Blame the law, and the suppliers. The idea of a legal or quasi legal drug puts dollar signs in their eyes. Kinda fucks up the whole psychedelic vibe to be paying out the ass to some shithead in china who's going to play a role in the scheduling of psychedelics. But maybe that's just me.
Hilarious post! Regardless of how much renumeration might be on offer the LAST thing i would want to do would be to trip in a clinical situation with a a bunch of docs in lab coats taking readings, asking questions, hovering, etc. Yuck. i truly respect those who do this kind of work and wish a lot more was being done other than a few isolated studies in Europe and America, . . . but it's not for me. i am just grateful that safe sources still exist. i enjoy being a psychonaut. Part of that, in my mind is being an "unauthorized" researcher. Though i am not authorized and not paid, i am doing a kind of loose consciousness study and posting results in various areas, including a journal/book. Remember the story about cluster headaches? Here it is in a nutshell: Authorized research had no real results for the sufferers of this tortuous condition, sometimes (quite seriously) referred to as "suicide headaches." Technically, they still don't. Sure there are drugs and oxygen tanks but they don't really work for all patients and they don't "break the cluster." Well, apparently there was a poor guy who suffered terribly from this condition, had tried endless medical solutions, including over a hundred drugs and hospitalizations sometimes extending into weeks. His doctor was suggesting gamma knife surgery next! Somewhere (on the internet on a forum board? i cannot remember - it's in an Entheogen Review article, one of the latter ones) he heard/read that psychedelics were reported to help headache sufferers and got ahold of some psilocyban mushrooms. He was scared shitless! He had heard nothing but bad propaganda about psychedelics and thought if he took the mushrooms he was seriously risking is life, health and sanity. He was actually having difficulty with the choice: mushrooms or gamma knife brain surgery!!!! Yet, he was seriously considering both options, . . . he was THAT desperate. Well, he tried the 'shrooms and didn't die. He got some real relief. He tried a couple more times and broke the cluster like never before. He went to his neurologist and reamed the guy a new one, "WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS TELL ME ABOUT THIS!!!!! AFTER ALL I'VE BEEN THROUGH! YOU BASTARDS!!" . . . something to that effect. The doctor listened to the man . . . he hated seeing someone suffer, even though he had provided years of treatment. . . . one thing leads to another, . . . long story shortened, . . . this eventually led to the formal psychedelic cluster headache studies. Thus, here is a gorgeous tale of how "unauthorized research" led to formally recognized and respected "authorized research." Don't give up hope . . . i believe psychonauts are good people, doing good, brave work and yeah, . . . sometimes we have to pay. . . in various ways. Peace & Love, Spicey Cat Meow!
That was a very interesting story. I should have clarified that I love RESEARCHING obscure compouds as well, I just wanted to start a discussion about it. I forgot about my membership here because I joined a few forums, so I kinda forgot about this thread. glad I found it.
I think one reason they are working so hard to schedule these drugs is because of money. I stongly belive the government in way way shape or form has alot to do with the illgeal drug trade in USA. I saw a documentary once about this town where there was mayor that was involved with the CIA, and had lots of bad reputation dealing with drugs. Well three kids were walking along the railroad tracks at night and saw something they werent supposed to and they all were killed. They were killed in such a way that it was made to look like a train accident. Tell me how three kids couldnt have seen a train coming. Well thats just one story. I knew a guy in a detox who claimed he was gettin kilos of heroin from a politician, and it was so strong alot of his freinds he sold it to overdosed. CIA is accused of selling drugs to fund black market projects and star wars weapon programs that congress wont aprove funding for. Did you know that the cocal cola corp. imports 6 billion tons of COCA leaves a year with a speacial DEA license. Then once they get it they claim to DE-cocainize it, and use the left over plant material for flovoring. So were does the six billion tons of cocaine extract go? thats how the drugs are getting in the country. Back in '66 when LSD became illegal, Timothy Leary noted in his autobiography, FlashBacks, that the same week LSD was illegal, that it disapeared like magic, and all of a sudden the same dealers , had a brand new drug to sell methamphetamine, the streets were flooded with it and nobody even knew what it was. Bye-bye mind expanding drug, hello, mind depressing drug. Anyway I think I got off topic there a little, My point is if The government or some officials on the inside are selling thses drugs for whatever reason, and they find out theres a new drug craze on the streets they see that as a loss. Some other lab from another country is making all of there money. and the sales for there product drops. Like china, they made cathinones like 4mmc illegal to sale without a license. Why do they need a license to sale it? Because thats the governments way of making sure they get there cut. You probably have to pay big bucks to get the license or only companies that have ties to them are granted a license. Ok I think thats enough of my conspiritorial ranting today.
Yes I agree, It has everything to do with money! What do you think happens to the millions of dollars seized in raids? I believe most if not all actions the government does is for monetary gain. Money is the master of our race after all! Haha I should start the church of the "Almighty Dollar"! However at the same time, I do not believe we are paying to be labrats with research chems, as no one is profiting from our research! Well I suppose other users are profiting from sharing knowledge of these chems. In my opinion it should not be viewed as becoming labrats, but experiencing the new and unknown before it becomes known!
How do you we know noobody gains from purchasing RC's. there are thousands of experience reports on human trial. I know they are not in-depth studies, but it provides the most basic information. I can think of a lot of scenarios where interested parties could gain from our experiences. Imagine the government is trying to find a new moneymaker for the streets. realease a bunch of stimulants, and when one fo them turns into a crazy ban it then sell it on the illegal market. they got all the information they need from the legal days of the chem, hospital report, we all know there are those who arent safe and act stupid instead of cautious. I am not saying that I am a labrat, its just a figure of speech, I realize the pros and cons, of my situation and I choose to explore the unknown as well. But there is a reason, things like RC's are made available to the interested public. And it is mainstream as ever. Do you know that Alexander Shulgin, attends the super filthy rich elitist gatherings at Bohemian Grove, the place is shrouded in mystery with presidents and the rich and elite gathering from every country. They perform the cremation of care ritual and Burn a wooden human replica. (think its called a effigy), in front of a giant stone sculpture of MOLECH, a false deity (OWL GOD). I dont mean to border on conspiriacy theories, but its sorta like illuminati freemason stuff that goes on at the GROVE. And Shulgin attends thesse. I myself love shulgin, but when I found that out it gave me the creeps.
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I haven't met a single person that knows about research chemicals, including mephedrone which I'd agree has definitely become mainstream with the ban. As far as the good stuff (tryptamines) they are still completely unheard of in my area. I talked to one guy who thought 4-aco-dmt was similar to ephedrine.:banghead: I like the idea of having access to pure chemicals, and actually feel safer knowing what I'm ingesting instead of some random cocktail of whatever powders lying around that can be passed off as drugs. I don't care who's profiting from it, rc's are much cheaper than street drugs and much purer, that's enough for me!
