Pressing, grinding, and BURNING.

Many people speak of their experience after using a processed form of salvia that has been extracted, reconstituted, grinded up, and smoked. Then they report their experiences of being "sliced", of reality folding and pressing in on them, or of a burning sensation. The Mazatecs keep the leaves in pairs and chew them fresh, and the goddess appears to them radiant and loving. Now we take the leaves, grind them up, extract the essence, and fire it up in a bong. I have read several reports on the experience of being "grinded into a machine", the body "splitting" at different angles, "folded", "pressed", or "sucked" into time and space, even traveling through a "tube". Hmmmm...

She is simply treating us the way we treat her!
Perhaps the experience would be more pleasant if we didnt hasten the goddess and abuse her spirit so. Just an idea, perhaps the spirit would be less terrible if she was treated properly. This world we speak of entering may be our own creation, but remember that we are the creation of that world as well. Just an idea. Perhaps the goddess is angry with us for treating her in this way, now as a commercial product instead of a sacred plant. The videos of people laughing and being ridiculed during their experience are a disgraceful mockery of what was once a very sacred ritual. Salvia is a great teacher, making sense of it all. Follow the golden rule. Grow your roots and flourish!

 

Very well done!

 

She gets pressed and grinded and burned and sucked, and she returns the favor. Amazing, really! It brings everything I understand about the natural universe into question! Can a plant retain such memories? Can people?

 

I can feel it reflected in the plants I grow. Especially Cannabis. I can no longer buy Cannabis from that friend, who knows a guy, who buys from this guy, who's a drug dealer for the Hell's Angels. All the intentions of the grower and the conditions that the plant is grown in, simply, becomes the plant. Imagine how the corporately manufactured food is affecting us.

 

nice thread btw i feel what your saying

 

nah, stop being hippies. this, hm... point of view doesn't resist to the fact that you have the same kind of unpleasant effects with high doses of smoked salvia or pure salvinorin a, it doesn't matter what the production method is.

you can't compare to the mazatecs, they chewed the leaves. salvia is absolutely another drug when you chew it instead of smoking it. btw, when they chew it, they're folding and crushing the leaves, so if what you say is true, the plant should seek revenge against the mazatecs too, no?

 

Was still a nice poetic thread, give him his due....

 

Interesting theory op. I'm not one to believe this plant or plant spirit has an intelligence like that but perhaps there is something to be said about the way its designed/evolved. It makes me want to see the movie "what the bleep do we know" I believe a sort of similar intention and reaction thing is discussed with like water or something. There are certainly many people who talk to their plants (haha) and care for them in certain ways because they believe it stimulates growth and makes them "happy" that are well outside the hippy mold.

 

i enjoyed reading the post, but i don't really believe it either

 

well, i havent tried chewing fresh leaves, as that product isnt available to me at this point. i just wish i had, smoking is either too intense, or mildly unpleasant. i think i have concluded my salvia experiments. this drug just doesn't appeal to me anymore, going any further with it seems a waste of time. the best thing about it is when the effect wears off, and being able to appreciate the natural state of mind. see "summing it up scientifically".