Convincing someone drugs are okay

who was it you said was ignorant? sheesh

 

uhhhh....

 

I f I don't agree with someone, vary rarely will someone change my mind about it. And, it does irritate me when people try and change my mind - respect my opinion and I'll respect yours.

In my opinion trying to force someone to believe something they don't will not work.

 

This is true, although non-lsd blotter sold as lsd is STILL fairly rare, you are far more likely to just get bunk paper.

LSD = Lysergic acid Diethylamide

and it's far from extinct

 

I said the girl who points her finger JUDGING others because of their personal choices is ignorant..

Glad you could contribute to the thread



douche

 

me a douche? You called someone ignorant for saying they werent ready for psychedelics - yet you think acid isnt LSD? And that LSD was extinct? Be careful what you say, someone may realize you dont know shit!


Your contribution to this thread was what?

Oh yeah, calling me a douche and asking stupid questions after putting someone else down for standing up for themselves in the face of some guy pushing something on them they didnt want.

 

I hear Scientologists have some great techniques...

Seriously dude; you can try and teach her -- and that's fine -- but it's her choice if she learns. For now, I think your best bet is renegotiating your own usage. If this is going to have any longevity -- you're going to have to drop this mindset of her being wrong, and see that she has a different perspective than you (even if that perspective goes against everything that you believe)

 

I don't understand why you even need her approval or a need to convince her that her view of drugs as wrong. For every psychedelics cured the pill addiction story you can use to argue, an equally valid a couple drinks a day is good for the heart type story there is. It also works the other way too, for every I drank and puked all night and woke up in a trash bin with a shoe missing alcohol story there is a I ate lsd felt sick ran around town naked and was crying all night because I was out of my head and saw Spongebob raping dora the explorer.

You have never even used LSD before, try it before trying to convince others about it, explore it on your own first and don't make it an issue to others or try to prove' something by tripping/rolling in front of them if they have no interest in it.

 

Now there's a mental image for ya!

 

Ive learned its best to keep the psychedelic use to myself and close friends who also take part.

Ive tried convincing MANY people, Ive asked what it is they find bad about it and all that. I then ask if he/she has done anything more than marijuana... if even that. The lot hasnt and wont. They believe drugs are addicting, that they are what make a bad life. I ask them what they think alcohol is and why its ok but psychedelics arent. Their thoughts usually consist of: "Its not illegal so its ok" or "Alcohol isnt addicting" (writing this reminds me of how frustrated I get, its weird)

Now, Im cool with people wanting to keep doing their own thing so if they really express no interest I leave it at that. Its when people tell you theyre bad, when they tell you that youll get addicted, when they think they know more because of a book or something they heard. I shut these people down, I dont stop talking until they realize how arrogant they really are or walk away thinking Im a douche... which Im pretty cool with. Wont be bother by them again xD

Really though, I wouldnt bother trying to convince her anymore. Shes got an idea and will probably stick with it. She'll try whatever if you keep doing it enough and she gets curious enough. Just dont attack her in defense of your beliefs because it wont help... at all. Jump in a puddle enough and youll loose all the water

Hate to say it like this but if shes bitching just deal, let her think she's won. It works every time and you know the truth of the matter

 

Who did I call ignorant for saying they werent ready for psychedelics? He said this girl was crying and bitching that he was rolling. And again while he was using LSD, that has NOTHING to do with "not being ready for psychedelics" and never having said she was ignorant for not being so.

I dont know shit, ill be the first to say it, I DONT KNOW SHIT, BUT, I never pretended TO know, I asked a simple question bartering off of something I read on a previous thread.. Then you come out bashing :/ seems a little childish for a "moderator"

What guy pushed what on who? Putting someone down for standing up for themselves? I don't see that anywhere in the original post.


To the OP, skizm I still dont think you can change her mind, she would have to come to it on her own or not at all. And plus, drugs are a small part of what your relationship should be anyway, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it.. Lead by example


PS samson, thanks for the Negative rep

 

If your interested in convincing her otherwise, realize that there is a right way and a wrong way to go about it (blasting her with fun little factoids about the negative effects of alcohol would be the wrong way). She shouldn't have to feel under attack or that her beliefs are being threatened, you should just sit down with her and attempt to have a rational discussion about the realistic properties of LSD, the reasons behind it's illegality, and your intentions and reasons for wanting to try it, and at no point should you be having this discussion with the mind-set of "I'm right and your wrong".
It will show, she'll pick up on it, and no one likes that condescending shit.

All of this should be done with the knowledge that she still might not be cool with it, or that she might not even be willing to hear you out, at which point you will have to decide what you want more, her or drugs.

 

why is she ignorant for not wanting to succumb to peer pressue?
Oh yeah, im the douche


get a life pal

 

you are damn right i gave you neg rep, you called someone ignorant for not doing something they didnt want to.

then you called me a douche for pointing out that you didnt know shit and shouldnt be giving advice.

Yes, you are welcome for that.


edit: i will give you that he didnt ask her to partake, but we are also talking about someone who has just tried pot six months before - the OP shouldnt be surprised that she was uptight about him doing psychs. For that you said she was ignorant.

 

Yes, in my opinion I do say it is rather ignorant to shy away from anything without knowledge, whether it be psychedelics, cheeseburgers, or farm animals. I can totaly understand her being apprehensive, but to cry and make him feel bad for doing something he believes in enriching to his life, I say is rather ignorant.. And it wasn't that she was being called ignorant for not taking LSD, I say it was ignorant to call him out on his personal choices without having any first hand knowledge on the subject is all..

 

This has to be the best post I have ever read. This is so true.

Awesome point!

I do think however that pushing each other to do something is a healthy part of life. Its when it becomes a problem to the other person that it is bad, real bad. Without us trying to get other people to see our opinions and such we would all always have the same one. More than likely, "don't do drugs. They are bad" "do not speed, you can die" "no sex until after marriage" etc.

I think the best thing to do is to understand that you are two different people, and to try to prove your point time and time again. But NEVER freak out about what the other person is doing or thinks! Leave it be, but talk about it to see who has the right opinion. Not both of you can be right

The two that are fighting are both in the wrong. Just stop.

PS Just so you know a little more man_of_the_hill, LSD is abbreviated for LysergSäure-Diethylamid. This is the german word for it because it was invented by albert hofmann a swiss chemist. The english translation for those chemistry words are Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. Although it is by far the most dfficult synthesis I have read so far, there are enough smart people out there that want to trip to make it for us

NOTE Albert hofmann who invented LSD used it throughout his life and died in '08 at the age of 102. There is some evidence that its not bad for you.

 

anytime I date someone that doesn't like something I'm doing, I tell them to fuck off in a very nice way and continue doing whatever I was doing. And they never fuck off; they simply accept me and keep coming around. Or they whine about it until I tell them to fuck off in a not so nice way.

You shouldnt change for this girl but she shouldn't change for you either. You can tell her your beliefs but I wouldn't go any further than that. She's her own person with her own brain and shes perfectly capable of researching hallucinogenic drugs for herself. Or not. Either way....hysterical girls are not cute. You'll either get sick of it now or later so you should just go trip acid, have fun, and forget all the bullshit.

just my two cents

 

you should make it obvious that you care more about pysches than you do her
this way she'll know your not going to change and probably have more respect for you as well

 

If using psychedelics is so important in your life, than you need to choose.
But I dont really see the problem, yes she thinks drugs are bad. oh well.
my husband and I have very different views on many subjects in life, and we have our moments where we fight bc of that, but since we dont try to change each other, and we just are accepting of our different views, it works. communication is the key to any healthy relationship. Just tell her your point of view,a nd if she can not accept that you use psychedelics or want to, then that is that. You will find someone eventually find someone that does. and personally you just have to pick what battles are important to you. for me, psychedelics are a huge par tof my spirituality, I could not be with someone who didnt accept that, but for others it is a small part of their life so it doesnt matter if their partner agrees or not. You have to choose what issues are the most important to you, and be with someone that can agree with the big ones. My husband and I dont agree on anything,a dn that would make for one borign relationship if we did.