Fla. church organizing burning of Quran

Don't accuse me of bible thumping and I won't call you fuckface. And by the way, why do you keep referring to me as Christian and telling me to be more Christian?

 

I guess it's because you post in the Christian Sanctuary. And I don't care what you call me. WWJD? Take a Muslim to lunch.

 

True. I do. In this thread I was careful to keep my expression secularist. Different personae for different forums. Because I'm careful not to thump bibles, I objected to the suggestion.

It's cool that you don't mind. Sorry about losing my temper.

 

Why the media gave this so much coverage is beyond me to understand. Even harder to understand is why so many prominent people can express outrage over it. Where was this outrage several years ago when some idiot who called himself an artist displayed a Christian crucifix in a jar of urine?

For the record, I am not a religious person and I could not care less what Christians and Muslims do to insult each other.

 

Dude, you have no Quran!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2-KgBhslBQ"]YouTube - Dude, you have no Quran!

 

actually it was a photograph of a cross in urine

and it was quite nice . . .

 

I think that was a decade or more ago, and there was lots of outrage--but a different culture. The predominantly Northern European culture of the United States isn't conducive to the violent expressions of outrage that seem to be characteristic of the Middle East. And our awareness of how Muslims react to such things is the basis of concerns about the Rev.Jones' actions.

 

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I think that was in 1987, and there was lots of outrage--but a different culture, especially: (1) a different mass media (no 24-7 cable TV coverage constantly on the prowl for "news"); (2) pre-9-11, when Muslim-Christian relations were far less hostile; and (3) a far smaller role for Evangelicals in politics. The predominantly Northern European culture of the United States isn't conducive to the violent expressions of outrage that seem characteristic of the Middle East. And our awareness of how Muslims react to such things is the basis of concerns about the Rev.Jones' actions. And I agree: the golden tinge in Serrano's photograph would be aesthetically appealing if we didn't know what it was. Oh, for the good old days!

 

Honor, respect, loyalty are vain words. Those words have no objective constituents in reality.

Solution is equal dispersal.

 

In news terms, it's sexy. Confrontation is always something people are interested in hearing about. Makes for good ratings and provokes enormous amounts of commentary.

 

Wasn't there a song about that? "Dirty Laundry" or something like that? Now you have me wondering!


Hey, if the guy wants to burn the Quran, let him. Freedom of Speech. And if the Muslims want to burn the Holy Bible, let them. Freedom of Speech. Who cares?

They only do this for the attention, because, well, LOOK AT WHAT THEY GOT!!!!!! They got their 15 minutes of fame and glory.

 

Maybe burning the Quran or the Bible shouldn't drive people over the edge - but it does. That kind of shit is important to a lot of people. I think probably if you examined yourself you would find something that would push you over the edge if someone attacked or destroyed it. Human nature.

Bottom line - It incites hate, intolerance, violence and paranoia. People who do this kind of crap are garbage who are looking for their own profit and power.

Live and let live Bro.

 

No sale on that. There's absolutely no symbol burning, cartoon or free speech that would cause me to kill a person. Not my 'human nature'.

 

Anyone who displays his Christianity by burning a Koran is pissing on the Christian Church.

 

I agree with that one hundred percent. Intolerance and exclusivity are examples of what I dislike about religiosity

 

So, are you implying that's a good thing or a bad thing?

 

He was not saying that you'd kill for it, but that it'd piss you off.

that raises the issue though if anger is a sin or not, or if some anger is justafied.

 

I certainly think some anger is justified, as did Jesus when he turn over the money-changer's tables outside the sanctuary, in the foyer, it seemed...
I never realized that anyone would even think that showing any anger would be wrong...it's all according to what it is about.
Just as we're judged, individually.

 

I weigh in that anger is never justified but that is not to say it does arise.
Anger is the result of an unresolved fight, flight, or freeze response. Fight, flight, or freeze should be the response, not anger. The vast majority
of what many people consider threatening is not in fact a threat to the physical being but does present one with an uncomfortable state of mind.
However minds cannot attack other minds, so that uncomfortable state is entirely self generated.

Consider the general adaptation syndrome

Alarm is the first stage. When the threat or stressor is identified or realized, the body's stress response is a state of alarm. During this stage adrenaline will be produced in order to bring about the fight-or-flight-or-freeze response. There is also some activation of the HPA axis, producing cortisol.

Resistance is the second stage. If the stressor persists, it becomes necessary to attempt some means of coping with the stress. Although the body begins to try to adapt to the strains or demands of the environment, the body cannot keep this up indefinitely, so its resources are gradually depleted.

Exhaustion is the third and final stage in the GAS model. At this point, all of the body's resources are eventually depleted and the body is unable to maintain normal function. The initial autonomic nervous system symptoms may reappear (sweating, raised heart rate etc.). If stage three is extended, long term damage may result as the body, and the immune system is exhausted and function is impaired resulting in decompensation.

The result can manifest itself in obvious illnesses such as ulcers, depression, diabetes, trouble with the digestive system or even cardiovascular problems, along with other mental illnesses.