really worth it?

is Heroin Really worth it? does it ruin your life addiction wise?

 

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Find yourself a good source for a heavy indica, get yourself a couple bottles of Port (or the red wine of your choice) call it enough...

 

Most of the time it can, my dad was a heroin addict, it basically destroyed him.
But not all people are the same, so I can't really base it off of one case.

 

It can....depends on you.

 

I like using this analogy. Heroin is like..forbidden fruit. You know you're not supposed to eat it because essentially if will make your life a living hell-- but want to eat it anyways because you hear it's the best fruit you'll ever taste. I've been doing alot of research on heroin, and talking to recovering heroin addicts. It's not going to pull you down the rabbit hole after 1 go (if you let it). You can try heroin without becoming addicted to it physically, sometimes psychologically you can't. Because it is incredible, and you will remember how it made you feel. I've heard addicts talk about how heroin will always remain in the back of your mind even when you're clean. It's debateable, some people can't handle it once but alot of people want to try it and think they can handle it but start using it more and more often.

Alot of lives have been ruined, is it worth it? I don't know. I haven't tried it yet. I might one day, I'm consumed with the idea of it even without trying it..I should stay away from it. But the curiousity is killing me, so i'm trying to surround myself with bad stories about heroin and talk to people and research it.

 

I've been doing speed for a year every day if can (besides that day when you're litterly dead from it, any speed user would know what I mean), and I'm only 18 years old and I don't think I've neccesarily ruined my life, but I think I've ruined my young years for good just from speed. I can no longer do school without speed, I've lost a shit ton of weight and now I just look like meth head, everybody at my school has it figured out including all the teachers and last week I was searched twice and I'm under pretty heavy drug watch at my school right, it just fucked everything up, and when I can't get speed I'll goto school litterly on anything because I know I won't have speed and its so bad that I have to be fucked up if im at school without it (never been prescribed btw).

I know that was really off topic, but my point is speed is just a small thing compared to heroin. I could imagine heroin addiction being much, much worst. All I'm doing is stupid ADHD pills that little kids get. I know I'm on here and I've done so many fucking drugs, but I honestly hate most drugs, they'll suck you in if you arent careful believe me, I don't care how much willpower you have.

 

Being more on topic too, the first time I tried methadone it was love at first sight (along with my first time doing speed). Methadone is what they give recovering heroin addicts. I've never done heroin so I cannot compare them, but the first time I did methadone, godamn, I never felt so chill in my life man. I did it a few times after that but its never been like that first time, same goes with speed, the first times always best. Well, in my case it's that way.

 

well I think that we have to look at drugs in this manner:

1. what is the person who is using's mental state?
2. does the drug attach to the opiate receptors or not?
3. how available is the drug to the user?

any variable in these three questions can create a multitude of different paths to that particular user...

Heroin is so brutal because of how good it makes you feel, but also because of how bad it makes you feel when you do not have it, which is because your opiate receptors are craving it... and if you are in a mental state where you are looking for anything to make you feel good again (ie. depression from a lost loved one, relationship heartache, etc) then you will become mentally addicted to it as well as physically through thought association. So basically you are talking about seratonin deficiencies as well as a loss of naturally produced dopamine, because the heroin is a natural opiate that attaches to those receptors in the brain and takes the place of the naturally produced dopamine...Heroin is rarely introduced to someone when everything is going great in their lives. If you're fortunate enough to be one of these people that can fuck around with heroin and not get caught up, more power to you, I commend you, you're a better druggy than myself...

I've never tried it once, mainly because its never been around me, thankfully, because with how bad my oxy addiction is, I know I wouldnt have faired too well with the lovely Ms. Chyna White...

 

Im not really sure because I don't use them very often and don't care for the opiate high all that much but I'm pretty certain heroin is not even the best opiate these days. I don't remember if it was diluadid or something else but I've heard 1 or 2 of the new opiates blow heroin out of the water... So getting probably impure heroin is not worth it nor is it this magestic high anymore.

 

i agree with you orlando, you do have some good points, because thats kinda how I got started into speed. My best friend became prescribed sixty 50mg vyvanse and sixty 10mg dexedrine which is crazy, and a large majority of that was always mine for free when I first started. Then I started to become known in the speed underworld, then he started to sell to more people overtime and now he sells them to me for 1 dollar a piece. But I don't only have him as a dealer now, I know multiple speed dealers, I know more speed dealers then pot dealers. No addictive drug is something to ever get in and I'm sure we both know that from experience. Speed has put me through so many rough times, hell, its putting me thru one now. I got school in like 5 hours and I still havent slepted for 2 days, I havent even seen the worst yet. I've barely eaten too. I'm sure you've been through rough times with oxys I'm assuming, probably more than me considering oxys are bit more addictive I believe. I didn't even know I was addicted to speed for a long ass time after doing it, when you finally run out and have to face the world (or school in my case) without the drug you've been doing for so long, life starts to kinda suck, including your own life, and don't really realise what you got yourself into at that point. At least thats how it was in my case. All addictive drugs are evil I think personally, not just heroin, because any one of them can ruin lives, just some do a better and quicker job at it. Plus another shitty part about being addicted to something is tolerance, I hate tolerance with all my heart. I miss when one 30mg adderall xr would get me speeding, now all that will do is keep me awake and it wont even do a good job at that. I really plan to stop at some point, every single speed pill I put in my mouth is only making it worst and putting me in deeper and I know this and I don't accept it honestly. It's got me to a point now where I really could care less what I do anymore. I'm not gonna lie, theres a possibility I'll try heroin in my life time just by how I've lived my life so far it feels like it wouldn't make a difference if I did. Plus I'm the kinda person who wants to try everything once, but again, thats what got me in this position. I'm sorry for saying drugs suck on the drugs forum, but as a drug user, drugs suck. They kill, they put you in prison, they cause damage to your body, they take over your life, litterly nothing really good comes from them. Oh, they also rob you unless your lucky and get your shit for free.

Another nice thing about speed tho its cheap as fuck and you dont need to do more than one dose in one day, well, that really depends too, I usially never dose again on the same day tho, i always wait till the next day at school in the morning.

 

I am in NO WAY saying that having an addiction to painkillers is any better than having an addiction to heroin... addiction is addiction, and the only thing better than being an addict is NOT BEING addicted.

Sorry I didnt wanna seem like I was on some type of My drug addiction is better than your drug addiction pedestal... there seems to be alotta that going around here these days...

a friend of mine came to my crib one night... I had like 50 OC 80's and he had like 480 15mg oxycodones...( he rolled his truck 3 times and has had multiple back and neck operations) we commenced to fuckin partying... about halfway through the nite he reached into his pocket to pull out the pill bottle and crusher, and about 5 bundles and three hypodermics fell out of his cargo pants pocket (initially I was just surprised his pockets held that much shit!) He became extremely embarrassed and started makin up excuses, to which I told him dude I totally understand don't worry Im the last person you gotta worry about Judging you... he went on about, I been a really bad boy, I havent done it in so long, and before I filled my script today, I was jonesing the past three days and its so much cheaper blah,blah, blah... I said bro dont worry Im not gonna tell nobody and I love you like a brother no matter what...still when he fixed up in my bathroom, i was scared as hell he wouldnt walk out, especially after all the OXY we had just done...

the only difference might be, in my estimation, is that at least with pills I know exactly how much Im taking where as, H is so mysterious because you cant exactly trust your local heroin dealer... so I guess the only "stigma" i have associated with heroin is that doses vary in strength so much that I can't trust it... two good friends of mine OD'd on H and are no longer with us... and after all this, Ive still never had it come my way except for that nite at my house and I was already prolly 350 mgs of OXY in and I wasnt about to fucks with it...plus I like to sniff things I cant get past the needle shit...

but Im sure within the throws of withdrawal if someone offered me some H, I'd sniff the shit out of it...

 

^^^Heroin is a pain killer there is no difference between what you do and a heroin addict except purity and possibly route of administration.

 

i dont care if i dont sound "hip",,

NO

YES
but hopefully your already seeing that

 

I agree tyler, plus like most addicts of pills, originally I was prescribed them because of all my various injuries, like many high school kids are prescribed speed to help them retain focus and shit... but once the foot lands on the other side of the fence through whatever means (depression,in your case your best friend was givin them to you for FREE!) your now addicted and everyone frowns on what your doing, in my case I just wanna live pain free, but like you said tolerance FUCKING BLOWS ELEPHANT DICK! and Im in trouble now also, out of work, stole money to feed my habit from someone I love, it just really, really sucks man... I never stole ANYTHING in my entire life before this, but Yo i had to be at work, I couldnt be withdrawing and thats how I wound up stealing and losing control...

 

that was my point... did I NOT make that clear? my boy was a dopehead for years, and some LK's saw he was a Nieta and jonesing, gave him a hot dose and he died right fuckin there...

 

all the H users on this forum are going to hate me because Ive been condemning heroin completely in another thread. i shouldn't even open my mouth here but i cant help it because it really astounds me the number of people here that either use heroin or are incredibly curious and eager to try it.

Maybe i'm getting old but I find it very hard to be open minded about any hard drugs these days. I dont think its a very smart decision to even try something that has the potential to ruin your life. Even if heroin wasn't one of the most addictive drugs out there, which it is, its also a drug with an extremely high potential for overdose. I've noticed a lot of people on this forum like to try to make intelligient arguments in heroin's favor, but I just can't see any intelligient, logical reason for even trying it once. You can chalk it up to reckless and self destructive behavior all day long. That i can understand. But there is no such thing as responsible heroin use, i dont care what anyone says.

 

what's your DOC?

 

What Guerilla said.

Heroin isn't even the best opiate these days. I think more people are addicted to it because more people bang it. Plus there is so much stigma of the drug as being Heroin, with all these people shooting up. A lot of people still insufflate heroin.

I think opiates can be enjoyed occasionally. I don't have to spend more than 30 dollars a week for a few dilaudids. Maybe a bag of boy on the weekend aint too bad a thing. However, if you start banging that shit or any other opiate you're going to struggle to get that high and want more more more. Any opiate use is really like that no matter which way you use it. I went from the weekends to being able to get cheaper and better opiates and doing them 5 out of 7 nights a week for a couple weeks. I won't ever bang anything though because I know I won't be able to satisfy my opiate craving anymore after the fact, plus it's going an extra psychological length to get a more intense high. Even as an avid opiate lover shooting up is still taboo to me.

 

But I do think vaporizing opiates is worth it =P ha