Psychedelic Bump II

porkstock41 may be selectively listening but one of the inputs he's listening carefully to is his own body and mind. Like Erowid says, "Every individual reacts differently to every chemical. Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source."

i really respect that porkstock41 knows what works for him and sticks with it (unlike myself!) over time. IMHO, a sophisticated psychonaut is NOT one like myself, who is constantly trying and wanting to try different doses of different substances, see how deep and far i can go on some . . . rather i believe that a sophisticated psychonaut is one like my husband, he lives the erowid saying, as well as knowing exactly what he likes . . . and he sticks with it over time.

 

but "what you like" is just defined as your most favorable selection from your personal samplings. if you have a larger pool of personal samplings, you can have a more diverse and rich favorite selection from within that pool. I really love 600mg DXM, but I haven't done it in years, and probably never will again, because I've been there enough now. I don't need to drive down that same road again, no matter how amazing it was, because I've got a chest full of maps to all kinds of roads I hear are really really wonderful. Life is short, and I've got some exploring to do don't wanna be psychedelically monogamous

 

LOL! An excellent point. i'm in the same space as you and my husband and i battle a bit over it. (My husband got it out of his system decades ago and he tried it ALL, but for his time. The world of RC's is one he finds difficult to accept or understand.) Only difference, . . . i feel i have less time left and am working with a much more rigid piece of clay (mind)! i don't know porkstock41 or his past very well. Who knows what's already in his pool . . .

i guess i'm always going to be the bitchy voice saying it's okay to low-dose or swear to never go higher than a certain level. i just cannot help myself. .

 

Unless there's a legitimate fear of dieing I don't see why you would ever swear to not go higher than a certain level. Giving yourself un needed limitations isn't good for you .

 

that just doesn't make ANY sense to me. if i compare 12 mg (which has been a good ++ for me easy) to 20 mg of 2ce, the nausea and gut ache, headache are ALL significantly more pronounced with 20 mg. i just don't see why it would all of a sudden stop being an issue at an even higher dosage. i guess it doesn't have to make sense if you've experienced it yourself. i appreciate your experience, but it is only two experiences. maybe it had more to do with expectations, stomach contents, set or setting than it had to do with dosage. i've tripped like 20 times on 2ce, so i can't help but trust my own experience. i kinda agreed with Pox when he said you can get full effects with a medium dose. obviously that's not really fair if you haven't taken a higher dose...but for some reason i feel like i get most of what 2ce is about at 20 mg. i've never read an experience that was much more profound or amazing than my own.

acid on the other hand, sounds quite different when one eats a tenstrip. it's proven safety record makes it a much more attractive option for a high dose psychedelic.

it is generally agreed that the difference between 20 and 24 mg is much more drastic than 1 vs 1.1 hits.
also, 20 mg 2ce is more "intense" for me than one hit of the best acid i've ever had in my life.

i do NOT have the courage or the desire to do 50 mg 2ce.

 

I think you just really need to lose your shit once pork. Then it won't seem like such a big deal to take it high again .

 

i think with the reputation i've made here, there would be no dose that would qualify to you guys as me losing my shit.

i agree with you that it's silly to put an unnecessary limit on it, but with 2ce, i only have a few more doses all weighed out, my highest one being 2ce. i've kinda had enough of that chem so i don't plan on getting more, so that's part of why i don't think i'll do more than 24 mg. i guess it's not out of the question that i could do ~29-32 mg. not to say that would be enough to lose my shit, but i don't want that from 2ce.
maybe one day i'll eat 10 hits of L, but 5 or 6 is more likely.
and i'll be sure to let you know when i finally try DMT

 

And do you really thing he'll seem as appetizing once he's lost his shit all over the place?

 

Legitimate reason other than dying? Not knowing your source fully or your body's reaction to an experience that is either new or that you have made new by radically altering set & setting. Knowing your source and your reaction and understanding that if you trip harder or dissociate deeper you might not wake up in your own bed. Jail comes immediately to mind in considering my husband's experiments with Belladona.

Call me a coward, but i DO know my body and my mind and my source. But, i didn't know 2ce and when i tried it i said and did some really horrible things. It is the only chemical other than alcohol that made me feel capable of hurting and killing. That's just me. Everyone reacts individually to both chemicals and dosing.

i read the statement praising the "sophisticated psychonaut" out loud to my husband and his reply was, "It took years of fucking up!" Admittedly, that was just him, but . . .


BTW: It IS going to happen tonight. Starting with 5 mgs 5MEO-DMT on a bed of mullein in my Vaporgenie. . . sometime after dinner . . . hoping for the best.

 

lol Well belladonna is a pretty risky substance to ingest, as I'm sure you are aware. Shit, I wouldn't take it .
You've had some not so pleasant DMT experiences, correct? Why do you keep going back to that, but shun 2ce?
From my experiences there is nothing that's going to come up in a psychedelic mind state (or a drunken one, Dissociatives are the one possible exception, and even then I can't say I'd personally make them one, just saying that from the shit I've heard about PCP) that isn't already present in your psyche. Hidden emotions and such come up, and you may not have been aware of them, but it's still a facet of you. If you really know yourself I don't think substances can truly hold a fear over you like that.

And pork I didn't mean on 2ce necessarily.
Honestly I think mushrooms would be the best candidate for that.

 

Perhaps i haven't been blunt enough in terms of the doors that 2ce opened for me (i wish i could get the effects that others describe and i haven't decided i'm 100% done yet). Let me be blunt: We have guns and swords in the apartment as well as caustic chemicals. 18 mgs made me feel capable of violence/murder. i spent a lot of time holding myself back. No other substance has done that to me, though ethanol has come close . . .


i keep coming back to DMT because i am obsessed. Also, because it feels more like going somewhere than taking a drug. Somewhere different every time. Then there's the mystical aspect. It's like going to church for me right now (i suspect this will change in the future). People tend not to go a few times and give it up, though it sometimes does come in cycles.

 

You don't feel capable in a sober mind state?
What do you mean held yourself back? Like were you just going to go on a homicidal rampage, or was it directed at a particular individual/s?

 

Really? 2c-e really gave me leaps and bounds more empathy for others. I was taking a shower on the 30mg (best idea I've ever made, taking a shower on 2c-e), and I sat down and suddenly started existing in the mindset of others close to me. I saw into their emotions, how I've impacted their life, etc. I've since been much more sympathetic/empathetic towards people, and I've been able to pick up more on others feelings, identifying hints towards their thoughts more easily, etc. I don't think I'd ever be able to harm another on 2c-e.

However, something that I did find scary was the god-like feeling it gave me. For moments in time I felt omnipotent. I could see how that could get to people, but then again I have no idea what you might have been experiencing.

Edit: Edit for 2c-c dosing shortly. 50mg measured out, dissolved in water. May or may not update during trip, depends. Gonna take 50mg DPH with it for any nausea that may arise.

 

If 4mg makes such a huge difference in effects, how can you "get most of what 2ce is about" by capping your experience at 24mg, and ignoring the people who do TRIPLE THIS AMOUNT and tell you that it is VERY DIFFERENT at that level and to do less is a WASTE. lol caps

you can't have it both ways lol. If the dose/response curve is so steep, which is plainly is with 2c-e, then obviously doing 50mg+ is an entirely different experience than doing 20mg. 20mg gives you an idea of what 20mg is, not anything more. I can tell you my 15mg experience in no way shape or form prepared me for, or enlightened me towards the nature of 60mg. It was like a new substance.

You've said this in a previous discussion, that you feel you don't need to dose high because you "get it" at lower doses. But get what? You don't even know what, because you've never been there That's the point here.

True uncharted territory. You badly need to take a hero dose of SOMETHING in your life man. Obviously lean towards the safe classics like lucy and co. but for real once you make that first large dose its like Aha, that's what they were talking about. Just as there is a night and day difference between 7mg 2c-e and 20mg 2c-e, there is a night and day difference between 20mg and 50mg. You are arbitrarily setting a cut off point and telling yourself there is nothing higher, when all sources report that actually, there is. It's just the attitude that seems strange to me, like you'll trip multiple times on an unresearched mind-altering chemical on the black market that is clearly hard on your body, but you won't increase dose. It just seems like you've already come this far in terms of risk, but won't take the final step, commitment to "losing your shit", for some reason. It strikes me as odd, this whole RC game seems to be about risk taking and rewards, and you are not taking the one risk that seems to have the best reward .

I am now taking bets on how many more times we will all have this discussion with pork in one thread or another before 2012. My money is on 30. 50$ in.

 

ok i won't deny that the trip must be a lot more intense at triple the dose. but that's what leads me to believe that the body load would be more intense as well. i guess you can have that one both ways.

i will bet less than 30 times. if i win, i can get 5 hits of L to take all at once!

 

i'm back! WOW!

Tried 5 mgs 5meo-DMT. Not much - body load. Tried again - went deeper. Tried 8 mg. WOW! Indescribable. Pure soul orgasm. Not at all visual. Beyond anything of this nature . . . WOW! i know what the mean when they say Release. Wow!

 

Awesome to hear Spicey. Not sure when I will ever get around to that chem but I would like to get ahold of some after that post.

I owe this a forum a large dose 2c-e trip report. My experience on 2c-e changed my life. I need to really do this, especially since my latest experience with MDMA relates to it as well. I will work on this, probably take a week at least.

 

The body load is less at higher doses because there is less of "you" left in your body to feel the load. 50-60mg of 2ce gave me nothing but complete bliss, mentally AND physically, and music has never looked so beautiful as it did during those trips

 

Oh dear god. Next weekend I'm alone, I'm dosing 60mg 2c-e. End of discussion.

EDIT: Dosing 2c-c within the next 2 hours. Waiting for family to sleep.

 

I have to agree completely. Although I do not get much physical discomfort from 2C-E, I think this *is* actually because I go for higher doses. When I've tried lower doses, e.g. 10-20mg orally, it was very neutral, no euphoric push, and there was some nausea on the come up - something I never get with higher doses.

However I also think it depends on the person. I personally think the nausea on 2C-E is a psychological thing, because all the people I know who never expected nausea from 2C-E never got any. As for the body discomfort, it seems to vary from person to person a lot.

I already told you man, give it a week or so. You'll regret it otherwise, 2C-C needs a fairly high (in comparison to 2C-E etc) dosage to begin with, with tolerance you're going to need a fair bit more, and there WILL be substantial cross-tolerance.

It's up to you man but imo you're just wasting it, if you had a gram or two it'd be different but don't you have 250mg 2C-C? Why not save it - and if you want to "waste it" then give it a week and combo it with 2C-E, it'd definitely be worth the wait.