Methane is 25 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide

Do you want to know what is going on in Washington that is destroying our precious planet? Of course you do but I don't know how you could if the news media blacks out the most important issues related to where and why our environment is getting worse instead of better. Do you know that the Kyoto Protocol, which is an international treaty designed to change the course of global warming is a total scam. The number one focus of the liberal environmentalist left is to control the creation of manmade carbon dioxide greenhouse gasses when methane is not only 25 to 30 times worse a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, it is what is causing the dramatic changes in our weather patterns now. It all has to do with a chemical additive to gasoline called MTBE which is made up of liquid natural gas, which is methane. It is responsible for all the greenhouse effect we have been seeing happen all over the world for the past twelve years but no one will address it seriously. Environmentalists got tricked into pushing for MTBE to be used in gasoline by the first President Bush and don't want to address the issue because they have been silent on it for so long. Republicans love it because it also makes people sick because it is also made up of ether, so we are all breathing poisons when it is being used and they get their big donations from pharmaceutical companies. I built a website that tells the whole story. You have to check it out ( Angelfire.com/art2/fontaine ) and tell other people. There is an additive that gives 20% more miles to a gallon of gasoline and eliminates 70% of harmful exhaust emissions. It is safe and effective. That would be 20% more fuel for mankind with 70% less poison returned to the earth for her the gracious gift of energy we consume. This additive has been kept a secret from the public but you need to understand more about it so visit my site. Thanks for listening.

 

Sorry for my bad english, I hope you'll understand me.

It's pointless because the reduction wanted by Kyoto is seriously insufficient. Global warming is actually changed by emanations of 50 yrs ago! But Kyoto's pointing the direction of reduction.

Methane (CH4) is, by units, about 21.xxx times worse than CO2. That's true. But CFCs are more than 1000 times worse than methane.

More: methane stay 12 years in this form in the sky, and CO2: between 100 to 200 yrs!
we can say that 21x12 (CH4) is again more than 1x100(CO2) by 252:100
Is not now 2100:100!!!

But, who are the most greenhouse effetive??? H2O (vapor). Because quantity is important too! So vapor is stable since centurys, and we need clouds for rain. And we love rain.

The second one is: CO2 (cause quantity is more important in global changes than stronger greenhouse effet by units)

SOURCE OF GRAPHIC: WMO

So, the human cause #1 of global climatic changes is CO2, by 55%.

The quantity of CO2 in the air now is the hightly since 140 000 000 years.

People that you, united-statians, called (why?) "liberal environmentalist left" are scientists, activists, students and a large population of the rest of the world. (-rest of the world? wass fukin that?)

MTBE is seriously more toxic than CO2 (CO2 is non-toxic), but is pretty no significant "responsible for all the greenhouse effect"...

A lot of "environmental" rules and laws are been signed for stopped utilisations of MTBE, in europa, canada, americas, and that's continue (I don't know about USA...)

What silent???
maybe in your medias like FOX, but people habitually knows that methane is greenhouse effetive and that MTBE, for who is minimally intersted by environment, is pretty toxic. And we know make energy with methane, not with CO2.

By the way, kyoto concern too CH4 (methane), NO2 (nitrogene dioxide?) and 3 kind of CFCs gas; not just CO2.

That's probab sadly true.

I don't follow you... What is safe and effective? MTBE??? That's interest me!

Thanks for listening.

Thanks for telling me that I need to understand more.

 

Ok, in your website, you talk about polyisobuthylene

I knew about that but called "butyle rubber". Used as tight, impermeable rubber, in tires by exemple.

Cool to know that it can make a gasoline additive.

Are you try this?



But I thik that recycling vegetable oil make a better safety fuel.

 

Methane is actually not what not the gas that is causing this worsening of global warming. Actually the effect I am speaking of is not global warming but an effect that appears to be global but is regoinal. The problem is hot unburned methane and ethers coming from MTBE emissions that carry water vapors into higher altitudes tha they would normally be carried to by normal methane emissions from nature where it would come back down as rain. This causes the H2O vapors to become thinned out under the high pressure at those altitudes where it stays aloft as long as new hot methane is contiuousley rising to support the balloon of moisture. This traps heat under this balnket of water vapors and prevents storm systems from forming beneath it. In 1999, when MTBE was being used nationwide at 15% of gasoline supplies nationwide, the greenhouse bubble eefect created by this process produced a near nationwide drought while the jet stream actually moved south through latin America because it was unable to penetrate the preimeter of this percieved global warming. The same thing happened in Europe in the summer of 2003 where MTBE use lead to a heat wave that many percieved as global warming. I have seen many arguements by credible scientists that show that cutting down on hot methane and other aresol releases into the atmosphere would stop what is currently being percieved as global warming and based on what I have withnessed first hand from what happens when MTBE use is stopped and started, I have to agreee that I do not know what the long term effects of greehouse gases is but that the immebndate eefct of hot methane realease into the atmosphere gives the impression of global warming.

I apologize, you are right that I did not give the name of the additive I support. It is called Polyisobutylene and is a polymer.

Thank you very much for your reply. I would encourage you to further debate me on this issue. You seem to have a much better understanding of the global warming issue than anyone I have ever had contact with before. You answer helped me.

 

Thank you for Your response. It inspired an answer that I thought worht posting as a new thread to this forum on the Environment. It is Titled
"Renewable fuels a bad plan - more fossil fuels is the solution"

 

http://www.cecarf.org/Programs/Fuels/Fuelfacts/Alternativefuels.html
ALTERNATIVE FUELS AND FUEL ADDITIVES

Methanol
Q: What is methanol?
A: Methanol is a fuel alcohol with a similar chemical and physical makeup to ethanol. Chemically, it is methane with a hydroxyl radical (OH) replacing one hydrogen molecule. Methanol is used as a fuel additive for gasoline in the form of methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE), an oxygenate that reduces ground-level ozone emissions. Methanol is also used in a variety of industrial processes, both as a fuel and as a chemical catalyst.
Q: How is methanol produced?
A: Methanol is primarily produced from natural gas, although it can be produced from other non-petroleum sources such as coal and biomass (albeit at a higher cost). Researchers are currently focusing on how to lower the cost of methanol production from these renewable alternative sources. Specifically, methanol is produced by steam reforming natural gas to create a synthesis gas (syngas), which is a combination of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2). This gas is then reacted with a catalyst to produce methanol and water vapor. Because the same syngas is used in ammonia production, methanol-producing facilities are often attached to ammonia plants.

What can I tell you? You should learn to be a little less aggressive when you jump to relay obvious dumb conclusions. Do you really think that someone would go on and on about something the way I do with these topics and have it so backwards as you think. I have always noticed that when people suffer from the social disorder that you appear to suffer from, that they are usually telling others what they think of themselves. You might adjust your direction and get some help. I mean that. You are obviously passionate about something and I am sure if you learn to focus, you can achieve something in your life that would make you feel less vulnerable

 

This response is for EllisDTripp/ MidnightMoonlight/ jivre as a reply to their angry responses to-"Hippies killing Mother"',"Renewable fuels a bad plan - more fossil fuels is the solution" which was a resonse to jivre from another article I posted in this Forum titled "Methane is 25 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide" on 11 30 04


I address this response to all three of you because you have all taken on the responsibility of discrediting my campaign against you. You are correct in part of how you are engaging me. I am not an agent for the pro CO2 lobby. I am also not an idiot. In fact all my facts have been thoroughly researched by a major publisher and are substantiated by the scientific community. Many scientists who have access to my work are still supporting the CO2 agenda of the UN because my work is part of a classified international investigation into the world banking system. I came here because I had earlier wanted to publish my opinions that the left wing radical activist community’s leadership was truly in league with the one world government industrialist in a conspiracy to rid the world of a large percent of its burgeoning populations where they sought to build a more utopian society that they look forward to as a paradise reward for their sacrifice of fighting this horribly ugly clandestine war, which goes against the core of their principle values. That is you guys, the soldiers of the New World Order. I wanted to originally write about how guys, or gals, like yourselves give the impression that you are fighting against something in order to solve a problem where you engage in a clandestine lifestyle supported by donations from left wing organizations and groupie followers, while what you are really doing is inserting yourself in the path of the solution process so that no resolution can ever take place. I see it at world bank meetings and WTO meetings all the time. You go there and raise all kinds of hell to give the pretense that you want change but all that happens is that the public winds up hearing about your violent and arrogant actions. The truth about what happens in the meetings stays hidden from the public, just like the organizers of the meetings want, because the media is focused on you and the fear you provoke. The people who go to protest the content of the meetings are never heard because the radical left is making a whole lot of noise that no one ever hears what the hell any of it is about. The public winds up supporting the bastards that are fucking up the planet and life for everyone on it because they see you guys as the bad guys. I watch those protest, which are really more like riots, and I see young white upper middle class to rich supposed radicals, but when I think it through a little further, I find that you are actually the children of the people who are engaging the world in the manner you are supposed to be fighting against. So I figured I had a right to write about it but my publisher said no because I have no evidence, only a theory. They say it would take away from the credibility of my other work if I start publishing political opinions. I am an investigator so my work has to rely on evidence where the reader forms the opinion. What I do is try to make what I see crystal clear to my readers by engaging the objects of my theories and gathering supporting stories that build a relationship with what I think is really going on. When I have enough to make a case, I publish it. So I says to my agent how can I change the current situation so that I have some credibility in the area where I can portray the radical left for the evil bunch of hate monger Nazi’s that they are. We worked on it a while and came up with this as part of our plan. You see you three have engaged me in a counterintelligence campaign to try to discredit me in this forum. I really like the way you drag your responses way down the page to make it seem so long that no one follows it to my answer so it looks like I have been discredited because they likely will not go down and read my rebuttal. Things like that show that you are engaging me in a coordinated manner and you are establishing a pattern that fits the profile of a left wing socialist activist. But more importantly, you have failed to engage me about the good additive, polyisobutylene. That is what I was looking for. Defending MTBE is on the one hand a sign that I am correct that your leadership actively defends its use and the true nature of its qualities, but that would not give me the evidence I need. You failing to engage the topic of Polyisobutylene does. You are trying to discredit me not because I speak out against MTBE but because I support PIB. You are trying to build a defense in this forum from your impressionable following that I am an idiot to take the focus of the obvious direction of the content of my postings, which is PIB. What I documented for my agent, and is sealed with his attorney holding a notarized copy of my plan of operations, which included an outlay of coming into left wing forums where I would give the heart of my story out like free candy with facts that are still classified intelligence. I proposed that would get the response that I got rather than having this information responded to positively and aggressively, and taken and used to either benefit the supposed cause of the liberal left, or to be used for financial gain by any of you. That demonstrates that you have an agenda that is bigger than this issue. Something that holds together your community in an agenda of solidarity that is against the environment and benefit of humanity, and also must have an incentive behind your motives that is greater than what you could do with a story like this in a wide open political forum where this information could be used to create personal wealth and fulfill your supposed agenda without a conflict of interest that would go against your supposed principles. This is not the end of building evidence I need to support this profile I want to publish about the liberal left but it is enough for the time I have spent in this forum. Thanks a lot guys. You were a big help. I would have been wasting my time if you hadn’t come along. Look for my book, you might have some posting in it. Thanks again.