Mild Trip Reports

Just out of interest why do so many share their standard long trip reports which are in great numbers on erowid and all over the web, maybe if you have something new to say it'd be interesting but they all seem pretty dull. sorry if i come off rude maybe i'm missing out on something or maybe it's because i've been brought up in a group of people who've done a lot of drugs and we've discussed it at length in person and you guys haven't been sampling these chemicals for long and wish to share and talk about it.

Opinions?

 

What i mean by this is like 15mg 2C-I reports and stuff like that.

 

People write reports for a variety of reasons, but mainly so they remember the experience more accurately, and to help inform other people who are interested in that chemical.

So instead of writing a trip report, you like to share and talk about it in person with your friends? Yet you don't understand that people would share and write about it on the computer to discuss with friends?

It doesn't matter how mild or strong the experience was, or how many times you've done it, sometimes you just want to share.

 

Trip reports, detailed ones in particular, help to further the process of unauthorized research. We cannot begin to calculate the potential value of this (see below). Governments are so scared of the materials we use and the activities we seek (inner exploration) that they make these substances illegal and make scientists wanting to do and publish research into them into criminals.

That leaves us. Many people on forums are doing cutting edge research by taking doses and/or combinations that no one else has tried or documented before.

Also, i refer back to the cluster headache story. i will quote myself:

"Remember the story about cluster headaches? Here it is in a nutshell: Authorized research had no real results for the sufferers of this tortuous condition, sometimes (quite seriously) referred to as "suicide headaches." Technically, they still don't. Sure there are drugs and oxygen tanks but they don't really work for all patients and they don't "break the cluster."

Well, apparently there was a poor guy who suffered terribly from this condition, had tried endless medical solutions, including over a hundred drugs and hospitalizations sometimes extending into weeks. His doctor was suggesting gamma knife surgery next! Somewhere (on the internet on a forum board? i cannot remember - it's in an Entheogen Review article, one of the latter ones) he heard/read that psychedelics were reported to help headache sufferers and got ahold of some psilocyban mushrooms.

He was scared shitless! He had heard nothing but bad propaganda about psychedelics and thought if he took the mushrooms he was seriously risking is life, health and sanity. He was actually having difficulty with the choice: mushrooms or gamma knife brain surgery!!!! Yet, he was seriously considering both options, . . . he was THAT desperate.

Well, he tried the 'shrooms and didn't die. He got some real relief. He tried a couple more times and broke the cluster like never before. He went to his neurologist and reamed the guy a new one, "WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS TELL ME ABOUT THIS!!!!! AFTER ALL I'VE BEEN THROUGH! YOU BASTARDS!!" . . . something to that effect. The doctor listened to the man . . . he hated seeing someone suffer, even though he had provided years of treatment. . . . one thing leads to another, . . . long story shortened, . . . this eventually led to the formal psychedelic cluster headache studies.

Thus, here is a gorgeous tale of how "unauthorized research" led to formally recognized and respected "authorized research.""

 

Good example Spicey,

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/102400/lsd_cured_my_headache/
http://www.helpforheadaches.com/articles/psilocybin.htm
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qGGR_ehqIb0J:www.clusterbusters.com

 

Yes i love reading interesting trip reports what i mean is people seem to report, took drug, saw colours had fun but really long and uninteresting IMO. When i discuss with friends i do not mean ANYTHING like these trip reports, i just mean general Q and A and useful facts not '30 seconds in, stomach feels ok, 2 mins, feel something, placebo maybe?' ZzZzZ

Yeah i'm all for exp reports but a lot of em do nothing for me.

 

Ya because how long a drug takes to kick in isn't useful at all...

I'm starting to question your motives on this thread, what are you really trying to say? That you have so much experience you don't need details like that?

 

My motives...?

I think this is more of an American thing TBH. I think they are superfluous, you might not it's my opinion i don't think i'm better than anyone.

 

Also once before i tried 2C-T-2 i read every exp report on Erowid n i'd have been better off reading one or two.

 

It is true i have encountered a couple of distinct attitudes about TR's. It seems quite black and white. People either love them and cannot get enough or they cannot think if something more boring to read.

i still say it's valuable for the unauthorized research factor, especially when people use similar formats, like with Erowid.

 

I check Erowid on the new exp report section sometimes they are amazing. Health benefits/problems and addictions are normally the best.

 

Many trip reports are agony to read, yes. Poor literary education coupled with the inherent difficulty in relating these experiences can make for a tortuous word assault.

I think people are not sure just what to communicate from their trip. When I write mine I try and sort of take the reader there with me, so they can get an idea of what might happen to them should they try this substance.

 

I think the OP is expressing the same sentiment as I have expressed before;

But you also have to know your audience. I often will leave out details of onset, duration, mechanics of action, somatic effects, mainly because in considering my audience here at HF and the substances I employ, most of you already know all those such details.

But on the other, when dealing with new substances or new users, it is a very good practice to include seemingly mundane details about onset, effect, etc.,etc. because those details do go a long way to help others understand what to expect from a substance.
Giving details about the mechanics and somatic effects of things such as LSD, mushrooms, DMT, and other common and widely used substances does border a little on the annoying. These effects from these substances have been so well documented that it is pointless to relay them yet one more time. If a person new to psychedelics wants info on these traditional psychedelics, the internet is simply exploding with such information.

So in my opinion two factors should be considered when writing a "trip report",
The novelty of the substance
The intended audience.

 

That's fairly common. Some people forget or fail to realize they are only trip reports, not trip checklists or trip guides.

 

From someone who never posted a trip report, but is intrigued by what you guys do:

Sometimes even the well written reports seem a little too serious and are a little too flowery, but I guess that goes with the territory.

It could be awful if done wrong, but I'd love to see some that weren't prose. Something more literary that gives the feeling without spelling it all out. Maybe poetry or well done train-of-thought. That might not be a "report," but in some cases it might convey the feeling of the experience better and be more enjoyable to the reader.

I don't know much personally, but I assume these experiences are usually closer in feel to poetry than prose, and that they are more magical than scientific.

It is surprising to me that there are so many "reports" but not much else, because I think of people who do these things to be more artistic than the average person.

I appreciate the reports, but I would like to see more.

 

Too serious and too flowery? Sounds a little contradictory, don't you think.
Why do you make the assumption that people who take psychedelics tend to be more artistic. Remember this is a FORUM and the main communication here is through the written word. There are other places on the internet for the sharing of music and art.

Remember a lot of these experiences are ineffible, and the impressions are often transcend language. Very often when reading a well conveyed psychedelic experience, if the person reading it has also experienced the substance, there is a familiarity so the ineffible is understood. If a person has not experienced a psychedelic, then often trip reports will appear as you are sayinf.
Let me ask, do you personally have experience with psychedelics?

 

i used to feel that way about TR's "too serious and flowery." i used to laugh at them and say things like, "What a freak! I could NEVER have an experience like that."

Then i started using DMT.

Then i started writing those kinds of reports i used to laugh at.

i no longer feel the way i used to.

 

I guess I shouldn't have spoken, since I don't have enough experience. I thought the reports were for everyone...

Sorry.

(Edit:
Just to be clear: I wasn't saying I'm laughing at anyone or thinking they were a freak or anything. I really didn't expect this to offend anyone, but I have a feeling it may have. (Please don't get more offended by that.)
When I said "flowery" writing, I meant elaborate or ornate, which can be very serious. Often people who write in a flowery way are trying to sound serious.)

I will meekly leave the room now. It's all yours.

 

I think you took his post the wrong way, it was a sincere question.

 

Nobody is offended, least of all me. I did not intend my response to you to offend and It was a serious question concerning your experience with psychedelics. Knowing what your experiences are helps other to know how to answer your questions better.

As far as being elaborate and ornate, sometimes that is the best way to communicate the experience via the written word.