4-aco-dmt doses (trial and question)

The week and a half to two weeks before my DPT trial were supposed to be a break from psychedelics. I was taking the advice of a few people on this forum.

Well, about nine days before my DPT trial, I had the opportunity to to do something that I wanted to do for a couple of months. I had the opportunity to take a high dose of 4-aco-dmt. Previously, my only dose above 25 was about 33 mg. With my hectic schedule, I felt like I could not pass this up.

On this day, a friend and I had a lot of time and space to ourselves. We took two capsules each. Each capsule contained around 20 mg. My two capsules contained 22.something mg and 21.something mg (I labeled them). This is a pretty high dose from what I read, but a low-high dose, if that makes sense.

I experienced somethings I have not experienced on any other psychedelic. The onset and come up made for one of the most self-examining and introspective experiences I have had to date.

The peak was one of the most existentially confusing times (concerning this reality) of my life. At one point, I went to use the restroom. When I returned to my seat, I had no feeling like I got up. There was no aftermath of the previous action. That sounds odd. But, an action like returning from the restroom usually offers an afterfeeling that is different than the feeling you had before you got out of your seat. Not only did I feel like I did not get up, but I began to wonder if me using the restroom was an action or a thought. The entire time, I felt like this reality was only a perception and perceptions can be altered, so anything is possible.

For a couple of minutes, it took some convincing from myself and my friend to help me realize that I did, in fact, use the restroom. While pondering this over, I somehow came up with the thought that there was no difference between a thought and an action. I was convinced and I do not know how. I felt like I had the ability to travel through time and space through thought. So, I did. I went through using the restroom in my head. It left me with the exact same afterthought/afterfeeling that the action of using the restroom left me with.

At several points during the night. I found myself annoyed at my body. It was a feeling of inconvenience and almost a trapped feeling. This happened automatically, it was not brought on by anything specific. But, after I thought about it, I became increasingly annoyed at times like when I had to use the restroom. I felt ashamed of my physical humanity. I felt "only human."


Visually, it was a bit of the usual with an interesting twist. I still think this is a less visual substance than psilocin (which is not a negative). It seems like the introspection, mindfuck and paradigm shattering existentialism comes before the visuals pick up, stays longer and is more apparent. Even at low a flat 20 mg., I noticed a big change in my mental process and a lot of auto-introspection with almost no visual distortion.



Okay, now that that is out of the way... How high can you dose with the fumarate salt form of 4-aco-dmt? I have heard 60 mg. That is what I will be doing next trial. But, how much higher than 60 mg. can one go? Searching the internet has not been too effective for me. Most information refers to the HCL salt form and others do not specify. Also, how were some of your guys' and gals' high dose experiences?

 

Very interesting report, the thoughts= action perception you had was interesting to read about. I have had something similar to that "only human" feeling on strong trypatmine trips but I have no experience with high dose 4-ac0-dmt.

 

My friend who is a monster (methadone, oxycodone, heroin, on the daily, with a huge tolerance, talking like taking 12 methadones and 300 mg oxy.

He took 90 mg cuz 60 didn't work at all.

90 worked for him.

I'd recommend trying 60 or 70 and if that does very little, then maybe 90.

But this stuff is potent. 60 or 70, I couldn't do.

I literally fell on my face and almost broke my tooth on 40 mg.

I had a thread/TR about that, as well as about my friend taking 90 mg somewhere in this forum...




Also, same with me, I had a bit more visuals on shrooms but I never get much from anything. 4-Aco-DMT is def more about introspection, crazy introspection.

And sort of forgetting where you are like you kinda said. Basic tasks become hard/forgetful.

 

You had the most existentially confusing experience of your life on ~20mg and now you are asking how much higher than 60 should you go? lol

4aces is not like 2ce man it will really fuck your shit up, for months and months. and it is VERY dose sensitive, every extra milligram adds a LOT to the experience

I share your experience with it, it's nature being primarily psychological, confusing, paradoxical, rather than "pretty colors psychedelic". It really is deep shit of the deepest caliber. It's possibly the deepest drug i have ever done, yes even deeper than the great Deep.

here's my reaction to 50mg

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=383816&f=126

 

Sorry if it was unclear, it was two 20 mg capsules. In total, around 43ish mg.

Wow, nice report. "It was a very schizophrenic comedown," that describes my 40+ mg experience in some ways.