God and Communism

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I find this very difficult to reconcile with events like The Crusades, The Inquisitions, the Church's support of the genocide throughout the Americas and, today, it's protection of pedophile priests throughout the world. So far you've ignored these major events in world history, but, they did happen and they were quite brutal and unJust.

Also, you state:
only through His Cross,
May people obtain heaven.

then say:
anyone who disagrees with Catholicism,
Who genuinely tries to follow a sense for justice,
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Shares in the same eternal reward.

That would appear to include me, yet Christianity is very clear in it's proposition that the only path to heaven is acceptance of Jesus; and I don't.

I'm beginning to get the sense that you are confusing Justice with Salvation.

btw...these political forums are "dog eat dog" debates sometimes, it's best not to take anything personally.

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no, it's because this discussion has become somewhat like looking for the flipside of a moebius strip

 

You do have a weigh with words, a whey from the norm.

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How can a “just” god have a chosen people? The idea is utterly antonymous to any concept of “Justice.”


Imagine a Supreme Court judge, better still, an American President, who freely acknowledged a huge bias toward blacks. Who forbade blacks to marry sub-human Honkies, encouraged them to keep whites as slaves, and to beat them shitless if they dared talk back to Massa.

Take that up with your supreme Judge Jewdy. I guarantee you the racist proto Nazi prick doesn't even give you a hearing.

 

Of course an exception to my rule would be the way Hitler treated the Herrenvolk as opposed to those he designated a sub-human Untermenchen. If that can be called “Justice” then the Wholly Vile Bill is full of instances of Big Jewlie's “Justice.”

 

Then instead of judging my intentions, own up,
How do we make this not like "looking for the flipside of a moebius strip?"

 

There has been two different ways of determining justice suggested in this thread:

1. We logically deduce justice from an objective sense of justice over injustice.

2. "Justice is in the eye of the beholder."

Here, we judge justice by it's source, judging the beholder of justice.
(e.g. judging Catholics, Plutonists, blacks, etc.)
In other words, we "make it personal."

And judging "the beholder" is easy,
as I indicated in post #107,
Nobody is perfectly just.

The problem is that judging people makes them feel either angry or fearful,
Which leaves justice to be defined by the most violent.


So, which way should we use to determine justice?

 

justice is never going to be objective
justice is never going to be fair
justice is never going to be just

there is no justice

 

The parents of the woman who was murdered want death as their justice.
The parents of the murderer want mercy as their justice.
The murderer wants forgiveness as his justice.
The Judge has a pre-defined set of criteria as his justice.

Whatever the sentence, it will be both just and unjust. Justice and injustice are two sides of the same coin, neither can exist without the other. To posit that there is some definition of Justice on which we can all agree is like proposing that we all like spinach.

To answer your question, we each determine for ourselves what is just and what is unjust. Nothing else is possible.

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You're on the outer, Jack. The overwheming majority of humans publicly agree that their God is the epitome of, and hence should dispense justice, for everyone.

Too bad for the minority God-botherers with only a few million believers. Or the real bad bastards, who don't/can't be bothered with a God. But who cares about them??

 

But, they don't agree with each other on how that Justice should be dispensed or exactly what their God's justice is. Why do you think there are more Christian denominations than you can count.

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It doesn't matter if one believes in God or not. As long as you profess charity and do charitable works like Fidel and Che by way of fighting and sacrificing your lives for the exploited poor, then you can be called an 'atheistic child of God'. What can you say then of religious Adolf Hitler? Does he act like Fidel or Raul?The hell, no!! He murdered millions of Jews. Fidel and Raul never laid a hand on them. That is why Israel loves Fidel!

 

Forgiveness is a form of self-sacrifice.

If charity is fighting and self-sacrifice.
Then how would we fight and forgive?

Should we forgive?

Christians have a saying about forgiveness,
"Hate the sin, but not the sinner."

 

An atheist likes being called "a child of god" as much as a Christian likes being called "a child of Satan."

A statement pulled out of that proverbial "crock of shit." When a group of Christians are taking a baseball bat to a homosexual, are they just trying to beat the "sin" out of him?

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It's easy for the devil to play goodie-goodie and holie-holie, only to prove that 'evil is good, good is evil'. But behind all of these are 'gruesome illwishes' 90-95 % of which are fulfilled by the goodie goodie holie holie Catholic saint...(flocks of christians pray the rosary only to have their gruesome ill wishes granted..'Mga karumaldumal na panalaging' (Those gruesome ill wishes-Bible). Fidel might be depraved like me but he is not an constant gruesome ill wisher like Eva Braun and Adolf Hitler!!

 

Hitler was Catholic.

 

actually, whatever religion hitler practiced as an adult is a source of vast confusion and speculation

 

This applies negatively to the enemies of Fidel Castro and Raul Castro. "Go away from me, you evildoers. You worship me with your lips but your hearts are far away from me"-God in the Bible. It negatively applies to Hitler and Eva Braun too.

 

I would have prayed for Hitler to seek justice, and choose good over evil,
And then I would have fought him as necessary to end his injustice.

You just said that you reject injustice and uncharity,
Suddenly you're now depraved?

If justice is charitable,
And charity is self-sacrificing,
And self-sacrificing is giving without receiving,
Then how is justice supposed to be equitable or fair?

Why should we ever make sacrifices for others?

 

what you do not seem to understand is that for hitler and his followers, he was seeking justice, he was choosing good over evil

he and they merely had different opinions as to the meanings of those terms

by fighting him to "end his injustice" you become, in his eyes, profoundly unjust

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