Lsa liquid

I'd like to extract the lsa from morning glory seeds or HBWR seeds and store the liquid in a vial similar to lsd. Does anybody know how many seeds I might need to make a consentrated enough solution to allow 1 drop = one dose?

 

no one has any ideas?

 

Well assuming '1 dose' was around 3 mg of LSA, that's about 150 seeds ish...you would obviously need 150 seeds worth of LSA per drop. Depending on the size of your dropper, 1 'medical' drop (there are different sizes of drop depending on where you are, metric, imperial etc.) is 1/12th of a ml, so you would need 1800 (150*12) seeds per ml of fluid. I imagine you would have a hard time fitting so many seeds into so little liquid, best of luck!

 

Yea it does seem pretty hard:/ I'd like to know if anyone has ever done this. It seems possible if someone knew what they were doing and exctracted the lsa correctly. Maybe this idea would work better with HBWR seeds considering their significant jump in potency from MGS?

 

Also I saw this video, it says to use mint extract and let the seed mush sit in the extract for 2 days. Has anyone tried this method? And if so, would it bring me better results considering my goal of storing a very concentrated vial of pure lsa?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBnCRZKE9ak"]YouTube - Easy Morning glory extraction method.

 

In the video he says to use 250 MGS, say I were to replace those 250 MGS with say 200 HBWRS, would that give me a solution with roughly, 40 doses assuming each dose be somewhere around 5 HBWR seeds?

 

There is an edit option for a reason man hahahahahaha

 

I've eaten both, and only morning glory seeds had a significant effect on me. Maybe they were just bad hbwr seeds, i'm not sure...but i had the correct dose i was aiming for.

 

And if you extracted the LSA from morning glories it would probably be more efficient, since there would be a bigger surface area, and you could reduce the volume of liquid by boiling it although that might affect the potency of the LSA.

Is this to put on blotters? Because I would say your best bet is to get is so that it's maybe 1 dose per ml, and use a pipette to dose with. If you used that peppermint extract you would also dissolve lots of unwanted chemicals in the seed, such as the fats and oils in the seed (which are soluble in ethanol), and you might still feel nausea.

Basically, there are two types of solvent...polar and non-polar. This is to do with the arrangement of the electrons on the molecules but that is getting complex. Generally, the unwanted stuff in the seeds is soluble in a non-polar solvent such as Naptha, and the LSA is soluble in polar solvents such as Ethanol. If you were to soak the seeds in Naptha for a few days and then discard the liquid and then dry the seed mush (make sure ALL of the Naptha has evapourated, as it is quite harmful), you would be left with a mush with the LSA in, and quite a bit of the unwanted seedy stuff washed away with the discarded Naptha. You would then soak the new seed mush in a polar solvent (ethanol) for a few days, discard the crap left at the bottom and then keep the liquid.

What you would be left with is a solution of peppermint extract (ethanol) that contains lots of LSA, and not a lot of the other garbage which you don't want (fats, oils, some proteins and general stuff the seed needs to germinate). If you then evapourated the ethanol you would (should) be left with a white powder which you can weigh and dilute to your preference.

*sources-I do A-level chemistry, and this website...http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Extraction/extract2.html

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avoid the mint,, Pulverize the seeds with lemon juice, consume husks and all.. The magic is in the husks// Secondly Native Americans didnt extract anything.. They ate them whole ..

 

I agree, I reckon eating them whole is the nicest way to go. Ginger and lemon, and peppermint tea really helps with nausea too...

 

By pulverizing the seeds do you mean just dump them in some lemon juice for a little while or what?

 

no,, I mean find a nylon stocking(the kind ladies wear) put all the seeds in a toe end, double it up if they are cheap nylons/ smash with hammer til powder.. Take powder,, place in small container, further soften it with lemon juice.. eat with a spoon..
it dont need be super wet, just enough to cover it..

 

how bad is the nausea this way?

 

never bothersome to me, regular foods upset my stomach more..
but i usually take grainy cereals before taking them, I can do things on empty stomachs .. drink teas try and keep with lemon type teas while tripping on them..

 

Yeah I think ill try this method next, I tried the cold water extraction but I made the mistake of soaking the crushed up seeds in water and then trying to pour the water into a coffee filter covered cup, lost quite a bit of liquid this way as it would run off the edges but I eventually got most of the liquid through the filter. I drank the liquid but nothing happened for 45 minutes so out of boredom and impatience (stupid on psychs, I should have known better, especially on something I knew before hand could take a while to kick in) I started eating seeds by crushing them up in my mouth really well and then swallowing. I think I used about 300 or so seeds for the water and maybe ate 50 more. Well I could definately see the rippling,alive quality to everything that is apparently the most common visual on LSA, but the stomach ache was so bad I couldn't enjoy it in the slightest, I think I laid on the couch in agony for an hour or two before I just straight passed out because of how sick I felt. Would have been worse if my puppy hadn't come up stairs and tackled me while licking my face which made the experience a little less bad, pets really do try and come save you if you're having a bad trip. I also ordered the seeds online and they were labeled as untreated which doesn't mean that the seats were untreated but they were at least "supposed" to be.

I also have a pretty strong stomach, I held down cough syrup pretty easily the few times I've robotripped, and never really had a problem with nausea on other psychs,maybe some slight unpleasantness at first but nothing that hurt the experience or made me want to purge, but thinking back if I was tripping, throwing up probably would have made my stomach feel better and not stopped the trip. I guess personal experiences/mistakes are the best teacher.

I was going to try the teabag in cold water with some lemon juice next and then let the water evaporate leaving the chrystals, which apparently can be redissolved in a high proof alcohol or capsulated and eaten, but that all just seems like so much work. The method you described sounds easier. I've also heard that eating the grinded up seeds with yogurt helps the nausea.

If I get a bad stomach ache again about how long do you think I should wait after ingestion before purging? Erowid has the onset at 30-180 minutes which is a rather large time frame, so I guess whenever I start to trip, but does anybody know if purging at the 30-45 minute mark would give the LSA enough time to absorb into my system. I know much of that depends on when the last time I ate was, and my chemical makeup, but anybody want to hazard a guess for me? I realize that is a rather stupid question but any information on an okay time to purge would be great as I hate wasting psychs, even ones as cheap and easy to come by as morning glories.

 

Excellent! Ill be giving this a shot this week possibly. I keep ginger ale handy and it seems to do the trick for the nausea. Might use a different crushing method but whatever, thanks for the tutorial :afro:

 

I found morning glory seeds particularly hard to crush, i tried in a pepper grinder and with a mortar and pestle, to not much avail.

 

Orison DID just explain how to easily do it.

But a moarter and pestle SHOULD work ok... I mean, I've done it by hand between 2 chunks of limestone, when I found myself without any sort of grinder. (I gave up and found a weed grinder for the second half, but the first half actully ended up better crushed, just more time consuming)

I personally use a <$15 standard electric rotary style coffee grinder for them, as well as all sorts of other drugs, spices, foods, etc... even coffee.

As for OP's old question, it doesn't sound like a great idea. Not because I wouldn't love to try pure LSA or extract it, but because I expect you want to put it on blotter or something, and even if not, it could find its way into circulation, and if someone where under the impression that it was just "acid", they could really fuck themselves up or even die if they tried a high dose. (also, while blotter or pills of LSA may WORK, they would probably be super-saturated and lose potency with handling/time/anything/everything, to fit a few mg of anything onto a piece of paper is pretty hard.... It would probably end up similar to my JWH blotter experiment, dusty surfaced and wasteful, even if feasible.)

Even if you where just going to take it as liquid, liquid dosing of something without LSD's safety ratio seems dumb, when you an just take the seeds.