Alright when it comes to lsd and pot I know my shit. But all these synthetic 2ce, (seemingly random number and letter combos), etc etc I am clueless. I really have no idea where to start research, besides these forums. But it's a defeating thing to think about, because there are so many! Anyhow, I guess for my purposes I'm interested in entheogenic effects, a trip similiar in length to shrooms, and not too demanding on the body. Any suggestions? I guess which drug(s) are the ones I am looking for? <edited for content>
I can't help you with price or where to buy them. 2cb: (schdule 1 in us) probably the best all around. very easy on the body, not that visual until 30+ mgs but feels euphoric like low dose MDMA. (Shroom Length trip) 2ce: probably the most visual, its makes some including myself nauseous but isn't terribly harsh on the body. Supposedly nausea lessons at higher doses. ~20 mgs can be comprable to a few hits of acid visually or few grams of shrooms. 2ci: a bit like 2cb but more stimulating. Sometimes visual, sometimes not. Can have some nausea and headache on the comedown but probably the best(easiest) place to start with 2c's if 2cb is not available to you. (shroom length trip) 2ct2: probably the 2c most like shrooms but heavy load. (shroom length trip) 2ct7: (schedule 1 in us) probably the 2c most like mescaline but heavy body load. 4-aco-dmt: by far the rc closest to shrooms and for me less of a body load. Probably the one you are looking for. (shroom length trip) Some the trip lengths can vary on dosage and other factors but I gave you a general idea of trips that are in the 4-7 hour range, 2ce and 2ct7 are usually longer and some of the others can be longer or shorter as well.
Yesssss I can confirm , 4 aco dmt is MOST DEFINITELY what you are looking for. In terms of buying it we can't discuss sources here...you just need to research the net. Word of advice: the scammers are out there and a good verification tool is https://safeorscam.com/ once you find some source. In terms of second best I would recommend 2ce, even though it might get a bit heavy and sometimes a bit scary (20-22mg+ doses) it is a very deep psychedelic and I truly enjoyed it.
Also, I feel that people don't emphasize this enough... TAKE A ALLERGY TEST WITH ALL CHEMICALS SEVERAL DAYS (at least, to negate tolerance) BEFORE TAKING A FULL DOSE!!! It isn't entirely uncommon to have a allergic reaction to a chemical (it isn't common, it just isn't unheard of). Take 1/5 - 1/4 of a dose 3-4 days (or more) prior to taking a full dose. or.. (Best way IMO, but most of the time totally unnecessary) Do it Shulgin style, start at 1mg (assuming the chemicals your working with are active well outside of 1mg), then go to 2mg, then 4mg, then 8mg, ect... over several weeks until you reach the dose you feel comfortable with, then play around those numbers to find your favorite spot. You don't really need to do it Shulgin style but for my first RC I felt much more comfortable dosing in this manner, as opposed to allergy test, then full trip. THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY AND THE WELL-BEING OF THE RC COMMUNITY! (Less attention from media = Less attention from kiddies = Less ODs = Less Bans = Happy People)
You can't ask for a source, or where to find one. I deleted the part of the original post that asked where to find these RC's. That's against the guidelines. Normally I would delete the entire thread, but other than the deleted portion, it seems a legitimate inquiry.
there are several other tryptamines similar to 4-AcO-DiMethylTryptamine and psilocin or 4-HO-DMT in mushrooms. there's 4-AcO-DiEthylTryptamine, 4-HydrOxy-MethylEthylTryptamine, 4-HO-MiPT, etc. they are similar in structure, you'll have to read about their individual effects.
I'd agree with about everything. PHIKAL/THIKAL, read them maybe, but Wikipedia has a good section that lists all their chems and I think they are click-able to read about their effects. 4-Aco-DMT converts into psilocin in your body so that's pretty close to shrooms.
4-aco is NOTHING like shrooms in my opinion. They have some things in common but the trips are just waaaaaaaaaaay too differant.
Ya I definitely felt the similarities, but it is it's own chemical, definitely not "liquid shrooms". So far I prefer shrooms, 4-aco kicked my ass but I'll need to try it again before I really know what my preference is. Once the peak was over it was really nice though, just crazy introspective shit on the come-up and peak.
