Do you think underground psychedelic centers exist ? Know some in Europa or elsewhere

Hello All,

As you know, Hofmann proned the necessity of creating psychedelic centers, as Greeks did with Eleusis. I 100% agree with him, i think it's a necessity for the world, or at least to help saving human being. And i'm sure some hippies do share my advice

I also believe that for lots of people, spreading LSD is much more important for the human being than respecting the law about it or staying free or alive.

Also, when i read how much Phamilies members are implied in their jobs and convinced by its necessity and its importance, and when i see how much success the LSD Symposium in Basel had, i thought till now that non-existence of those psychedelic centers.

Now i'm sure at least one existed, in Switzerland, but it's over. Here's the proof : http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...00267-une-psy-suisse-soignait-avec-du-lsd.php

I'm sorry this article is in French. Globally it tells the tale of a Swiss psychiatrist who organized psychedelic therapies. Translation by Google : http://translate.google.com/transla...y-suisse-soignait-avec-du-lsd.php&sl=fr&tl=en

This one is down, but the field is open once again for legal psychedelic research in Switzerland : http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2007/07/lsd_assisted_psychot.html

I didn't find an article confirming this decision in English, but here is a one in French : http://www.swissinfo.ch/fre/sciences_technologies/Le_retour_du_LSD_therapeutique.html?cid=6331738 - translation : http://translate.google.com/transla...SD_therapeutique.html?cid=6331738&sl=fr&tl=en

So i imagine that medical, pure, safely dosed LSD is back - it's a necessity for those studies.

Have you heard/read about similar stories ? Have you some links ? What do you think about it ?

The European situation mainly interests me personnally, but lets discuss this everywhere in the world. How do you think it is in Europe, in the US, in Eastern countries as India, in the rest of the world ?

We are asked not to have posts of the kind "where can i find...", this one is not. I just would like to discuss the theme and get your opinions about this.

But if you want to give me informations you may not or don't want to put here, i'd really appreciate that you PM it to me. Please, please do.

... and please forgive my bad English

 

Regarding USA: If they exist they are rare and very, very underground. Of course, specific therapists have been involved - just read the book, "The Secret Chief Revealed." It's a touching eye-opener.

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I don't have sources but I believe john Hopkins hospital a few years ago did studies with psilocybin mushrooms on patients.

I think MDMA has been given to returning Iraq war vets with PTSD with quite a bit of success in treating and/or managing symptoms.

 

There are a small number of people with the right backround that do believe in these drugs, but the problem is if they say so, their peers will think they are crazy. Goverments have done a very good job of making them taboo, so if you respect your carrer you keep your mouth shut.

 

Speaking of psychedelic centers anybody wanna start a psychedelic center it'll be easy

 

Was there a point in posting this at all? It seemed almost as if you where mocking him for his beliefs. I for one admire his [what I assume to be] LSD inspired desire to spread LSD to all (that's what I interpreted it to be anyways).

 

I wasn't mockin anybody dude I'm actually very serious how else would I have said that without atracting attention so would anybody like to or not

 

My mistake. It just seems like a odd thing for somebody to say in a serious manner. Sorry. Starting a illegal substance circle on the internet probably isn't the best idea. You do know that hipforums posts are easily found on google. I searched, "underground psychedelic center" a term I would assume somebody would search while trying to find a illegal psychedelic center and guess what the first result is...
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Thanks for the warning where's a place that's safe to talk anymore

 

Hello, officer.

 

There are people who setup ayahuasca sessions for groups of people in the US. Some people return many times and others come for just one or two times.

Sometimes instead of ayahuasca, they may use cactus or mushrooms. Sometimes a visitor or visitors from Peru will prepare the brew and do the aya chants/songs.

Not really a center, but a group organized by a few who make the arrangements.

 

you think I'm a cop look man I'm just interested that's all it's not like I'm trying to say where can I find some dope because that would be illegal

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidisciplinary_Association_for_Psychedelic_Studies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heffter_Research_Institute

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beckley_Foundation

Obviously none of these are underground, but interesting none the less. And just discovered this...

http://breakingconvention.co.uk/

All these groups are involved in this conference.

 

in the united states iv encountered a few ayahuasca circles, one of which was led by a psychotherapist. (they are pricey though)
also known peyote ceremonies orginized by a psychologist. never heard of an lsd circle though.

 

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To original poster:
I tried to start one in the haight/ ashbury district in sf. It was intended to be called "the timothy leary memorial clinic". I got my craigslist ad flagged immediately. It seems that those who wish to remain in the closet about their psychedelic beliefs in favor of materialism and security lack the faith to understand that if you follow the law with an unconventional message tied to your endeavor and rally enough support, that laws can be changed. Nobody wants to get in trouble; prison for psychedelics is unconstitutional, unfair, and dangerous. Stanislov grof realized that something had to be done to make this kind of work possible. I highly doubt that none of his patients were ever on LSD during sessions. It may not have even been of concern to him. He after all was not encouraging illegal drug activity, but actively and publicly creating a safe space for people to enter similar states. I think that this legal loop-hole is our key to founding such centers. We can create places with an unspoken intention and foster a fitting environment for such therapies, legally, just the same way you can sell "tobacco pipes". The real difficulty comes in when a person has a freakout, which I believe is avoidable, but not impossible. I think that more activism would be requisite as public support is the only thing that could keep such a facility from having its staff and members thrown in jail. The haight-ashbury is a prime place for this, I think, there is enough support in the area to make a big deal out of it and since all the other movements have plateaued a new issue like this could find some traction. I am willing to help in any way that I can.
Grant