Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin or crack'

duh . . .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/01/alcohol-more-harmful-than-heroin-crack

 

sorry i didn't edit the thing or comment more, i didn't read the sticky

where i live there is a bar for every few hundred inhabitants, all with gambling [all with filled parking lots]

and despite the state-level medical marijuana law, there is a city moratorium on dispensaries

and all the usual idiotic rhetoric

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I'd did magic mushrooms back in 1994, it was remarkable and good for me.

 

Haha I love they included Buprenorphine

 

Of course we know it's true. How ironic though. When i drink i feel high but i am poisoned. When i take psychedelics i feel poisoned but i am actually quite high (mind altered).

 

Yeah, honestly I have had heard more cases of abusive parents regarding alcohol...and lived it too...rather than pot.
My mother tried pot once and remembered she was speeding when driving...well yeah-any drug its obvious you still need to be smart about. When you are drunk your judgement is shit poor, where I can be high and still have control, but I am still in a different world.

 

About fucking time...Thumbs up to Lancet for publishing.

I certainly didn't need a study to convince me, I've enough anecdotal evidence to convince me alcohol has the potential to be the most debilitating drug one could ever abuse.
I drank a bit in my younger days (free beer for the band!) by the time I was old enough to drink legally, I was pretty much over it.
These days I only stand an alcohol buzz at the request of giggly, horny females...imp:

ZW

 

I've always been a light drinker, and even lighter the older I get.

I have 2 friends who each drink about a quart of wine a night. I see both on average of 4 days a week, and each month I can see a decline in their ability to reason and their overall intellect and coordination. One started to experience psychotic episodes about 2 years ago but refused to acknowledge that anything was wrong. About a year ago I, and a mutual friend went to his home and had a very long sit down with him (sober). In intimate detail I described the person I met 10 years earlier; then, I described to him the person I see today, while the mutual friend agreed and related some of his observations.

Today, he still drinks, but not nearly as much, most of the time. As his drinking slows, his personality is returning. I think, at last, he might be realizing what he has been doing to himself.

The second friend still sees no problem with his drinking, even after watching the other friend go so far downhill, even witnessing some of the psychotic episodes.

In the 80s I watched a good friend slowly loose everything he owned, including his business, home, wife and kids, and eventually died of a heart attack, from alcohol and cocaine.

My parents didn't drink and neither did their friends, so I had to learn about this stuff as an adult by watching my friends poison themselves.

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The man I married died from complications (massive bleed-out) of alcoholism.
It is a medical fact that one is more likely to die from DTs from alcohol than that of heroine or crack. In fact, according to the "level" of alcoholism, without another drink or proper medical attention one is likely to die from DT's.
^^^My favorite reason for questioning why the hell marijuana isn't legal? Because the government makes too much from the black market, prison system, etc. for that?!?

 

I graduated and hung out in in my early years in Cooperstown ND. Alcohol is the conservitive drug of choice. that town had I think 1500 people and 3 bars. Valley City has a pile of bars too. Iv always had a suspision that alcoholism was more of a problem than drug addiction. I had my fun like young people do and hoisted a few, then moved on.

 

Legalize every drug and keep it cheap. People need to learn self-responsibility, not have a big daddy government that fails to keep them away from dangerous substances.

 

It depends where you are in the UK, imho.
Some place you just don't want to be when it is closing time.
Most places, though, people just want a bit of fun and then go home.
Most achieve that.
I do agree public drunkenness is accepted.
Nobody does really raise an eyelid to casual drunkenness.
It's the excessive drunkenness tinged with violence that people find unacceptable.
There is a massive difference.
More people power on pub opening times

Pubs and clubs could been banned from late night opening because of the impact drunkenness and noise has on the wider community, under new powers for local residents

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...5/More-people-power-on-pub-opening-times.html

The police do their best but they can't be everywhere so they kinda have to use triage procedures when carrying out their duties.
To say the police just turn a blind eye to it all is just unfair.
I'll challenge anybody to start a prolonged fight in a major town centre and see what happens, and where you spend the night.
Clue: It won't be at home.


http://www.leics.police.uk/news/4350_police_seize_three_knives_and_make/
http://www.leics.police.uk/policing/8_city_bcu/17_city_centre/blog/2010-06/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ence+saturday+nights&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Given the criteria I do think alcohol is worse over the long period.
But I do think cocaine etc is deadly over the short term.
Given a choice, I know which I'd prefer to partake in.

 

skip, come to eastern montana in the winter

marvel at the piles of frozen vomit on every sidewalk

[come in the summer to smell our urine]

 

my mom and I talked about this study last night. We both agree its 100% true. My father was hooked on a lot of drugs over the years, even heroin at one point, but it was alcohol that ultimately turned his family against him and killed him.

my grandfather was the most hateful man I've ever met. He drank every day.

my uncle, my dad's brother, had alcohol-induced schitzophrenia. He eventually died of liver failure.

I know a guy who woke up in the hospital 4 different times from a heroin overdose, but it will ultimately be alcohol that destroys his life and eventually kills him.

I've seen way too many people destroy their lives from alcohol. I've spent the last year partying like crazy and I'm starting to wake up and realize how its poisoning my body and almost killing my friends. Its only pot and psychedelics and the occasional glass of wine from here on out. Alcohol is nothing but poison.

 

it's no surprise when drinking in my home city, that foreigners are the ones who cause the trouble when drinking. I have been threatened by Africans, Australians, Americans, Italians and mostly the Polish and Germans when drinking in the wrong pubs.

We are a multi-cultural country, you cannot put us all in a box like that.

And anyways, it's due to stupid opening and closing times, the government trained us all to get our drinks in quickly before the last orders bell is rung.

 

Outside nightclubs, perhaps.
But there are more sedate bars and relaxed clubs people go to.
If you look at my last link you will see a scheme designed to high-light the better places to be at night.

To be fair, I don't really like drinking in the bars and clubs now, because if you don't know the scene, the atmosphere can appear to be one punch away, like you say.
But, I do know it really isn't.
I'm just getting old.
We maybe getting too old.

True.
That's why I was put into foster care.

I'm sure it does. It won't stop me.
I think we should acknowledge, as far as the health effects are concerned, over the shorter period cocaine etc is more likely to kill you.
The way they have measured it isn't merely on health grounds.
If it were, alcohol would be below cocaine and heroin, imho.