Sexual Energies....

I was just putting some observations out that I experienced and perhaps the "why" I do things the way I do them now.

Anycoloryoulike - Sounds like your a semi-passivist
"accept everything as it comes and feel it and enjoy it and integrate to my personnality"
accept what??? feelings? urges?

I'm sorry but your completely wrong. Your body will not tell you what you need other than from moment to moment. You have sex and it wants more, you eat and it feels good. I think doing what feels good is alot of the time is the wrong thing.
Don't get me wrong, u slept 2 hours last night from having lotsa sex and your heading to work tired as a dog and feel like your gonna pass out there's nothing that would stop me from having alot of uppers, but it all comes at an expense and sometimes people don't want to take out loans to pay later.

Heres some science:
"higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males."

Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence., World J Urol. 2001 Nov;19(5):377-82.

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The chinese study also suggests that abstaining from ejaculation will not increase your Testosterone levels long term and hence, not improve your bodybuilding gains. Recent studies are also showing a significant drop in prostate cancer risk, for men who more frequently ejaculate. According to current research, ejaculation (or sex) is not going to lower your testosterone levels, in either the short term or long term.
http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/blog/effect-of-ejaculation-sex-on-bodybuilding-gains/

r Nytro
“ Pythagoras taught that there was a direct connection between the semen and the brain and that loss of semen weakens the brain, while its conservation improves the brain's nutrition, since the substances thus conserved act as brain nutrients.
We now know that this is a physiological fact which the intuition of Pythagoras foresaw centuries ago since lecithin, an organic phosphorized fat which is a chief constituent of brain and nerve tissue, is an essential component of the semen and is lost with it.”(http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...5/bernard2.htm)

Some people may think
I think its more to do with the thoughts and feelings that go along with it...emptiness, self loathing etc. , but I wonder why do people get these feelings after masturbation, it must be what there body is telling them???

Then came the 60’s. With do I masturbate too much the sexual revolution, masturbation became good, almost compulsory. Received scientific thinking, led by the great sexologist Kinsey, ‘normalised’ masturbation, so that it became, if not immoral, then at least acceptable.

 

there are many good points to make about all of this, and the truth usually tends to lie somewhere in the middle in these kinds of matters.

anycolor seems to want to remove the division in his mind, and accept all that comes his way.

i feel that there are many conflicting signals in my body at present (for instance, as adforester mentions, the conflict between the desire for sexual fulfillment and the drained feeling that comes after too much masturbation), so i feel it necessary to attempt to make solid decisions about my actions; to design my own patterns of behavior, based as much as possible on my overall awareness of past and present signals/messages my body and the world around me have sent my way.

it seems likely to me that, after enough positive decisions have been made on my part, my mind and body will relax and function more efficiently. once i am at this point, i will likely see things in a similar light as anycolor, and will be able to "go with the flow."

unfortunately, until then, i am afflicted with addictions of behavior (repetitive emotional patterns, stimulants-i have been down to just caffeine for a few years now, alcohol-every once in a while, mistrust, assumptions, etc.) that won't go away if i continue to act on every signal i receive.

this is the part of the parable of buddha that i interpret differently than some: he tries the left and right hand paths (starts out as royalty with everything at his disposal, then rejects pleasure and actually inflicts pain on himself) and then moves on to the middle way. some feel this means that the left and right hand paths were unnecessary, but i think it may be that some of us need to experience these differences before we are truly able to settle into the middle path.

any thoughts?

 

I have to agree with that.

But the thing is we are not just talking about a theory.
anyone ever heard of "Sex Manual(Taoism)"? its a skill to have sex and get a long/high orgasm but not losing any energy(sperm). Only a master of Chi could practice that. I believe we have more beginners/amateurs in this forum. For beginners(maybe including myself), its really the best you less ejaculating, it hurts your body, makes your body weak.
When you ejaculating a lot. You body will be in a state of "heavy burden", it will keep producing sperm ....

Sorry for my poor English

 

well...I feel that its truly our thoughts that fuel our emotions and our urges and untill you can fully rid yourself of your ego....the addictive repetitive patterns will continue. There are so many things that we connect as being apart of ourselves when its really not who we truly are. Its much easier to let go when you seperate your mind from all those useless thoughts.

I don't think that everyone feels the need to ejaculate as much as others. and this could all be because of how their ego feels about sex. Sometimes I feel that sex in today's world is taught to our children in a wrong light. Boys feel like they must have sex to fit in. Some even pride in the number of women they have done it with. It's sad that such wonderful things are not learning processes.

If it was a perfect world we would be aware that everything is energy and there are multiple ways to sustain and release these energies to our bodies benefit. But I truly dont see this happening while I am still alive.

 

yyyesiam -thanks for bringing this discussion back to Buddha and the three paths! I think thats exactly where this was heading. I too (am slightly stubborn and) take both paths in order to achieve the third! Thing is I think I usually want to "know" both paths before taking the third, something about experiencing it you know? I guess if you don't know your limits you won't know what the middle path is?

GREAT Discussion everyone! thanks!

 

Yep.

Not completely.

I have had quasi-orgasmic meditation sessions as well as kinda boring ones, and I regret nothing. I accepted them all as they came. And they were ALL effortless. Almost uncontrolled. This method works with me, with several people in my surrounding, and I would guess several other people.

Since I've started to meditate I have SEEN the impact on my life, I don't need to give details, I enjoy a stronger self-confidence, an increased awareness of my emotions and those of others around, an increased appreciation of simple pleasures in life (food, sex, breath, noise, touch, gravity, etc., etc.). You get the idea.

So no, I'm not completely wrong.

I believe it will. It's a constantly evolving process but it will.

Well, at least enought to live a full, happy and healthy life. With enought life experiences and meditation, I'll have a significantly clearer understanding of what I need. There'll always be holes of course, but going with the flow in meditation will be a way for me to gather as much ''information'' on myself as possible. I say info, but it's more like sensory awareness, sensory reflexes. Plus it's fun.

To me, meditation is an indulgence.

Effortless.

 

A lot of artists, musical ones that I've heard of, maintain prolonged periods of celibacy before and during important creative times such as while recording in the studio, before a big live show or certain performance. It's a matter of being in control of your energy and by saving it in that department, you can hold on to it and let it out in other, more creative ways.

 

I came to this forum because I have an interest in spending regular (more or less daily) time in a highly aroused state through sex and/or mastubation which doesn't result in either ejaculation or orgasm.
The principal reason for this is, as long as I only have one or the other I feel it benificially effects my mental state in that it makes me more aware/thoughtful toward my partner, and gives me a great energy boost for the day.

I quoted yyyesiam above because today for the first time i enjoyed a full orgasm without ejaculating and without any "manual interference" ie with pc muscle control only!
I was previously slightly sceptical as to whether it was really possible, but not any more, I'm still feeling slight "aftershocks" even now 4 hours later.

I would be interested to hear of any body elses similar or connected personal experiences with this? Also any informed medical opinion?

I didn't come to this from a medative background, more a lifestyle choice I was trying with my partner, however I kept finding crossovers with tantric sexual practises which I've now developed an interest in, there does seem to be a lack of understanding about the mental state that is created by learning to control the "need" to ejaculate.
Also having learnt, more or less, to separate orgasm and ejaculation, so long as I only allow myself one or the other, I dont feel any "loss" whatsoever.

I'm eager to learn, any advice on the whole subject most welcome!

 

I masturbated 12 times one day and the day after, I meditated and worked all day, not even masturbating once.