LSD Plus Brugmansia/Datura? Could LSD overide delirient intoxication?

So a friend and I, who is quite an experienced psychonaut, were discussing different effects of the different hallucinogen. I personally have not sampled any of the tropane alkaloids that include the major delirient hallucingens: Datura, Belladona, Brugmensia, ect. He on the other hand has had quite a bit of delirient experiences before, though he does not use it anymore.

Anyways, he talked to me about experiences he had combining Brugmensia with acid. He took both and he said the acid forced him to stay in his bed and not wander off. This really makes me wonder. I personally don't want to dabble with the delirients unless I am in the middle of nature somewhat far away from civilizations. But this method might be able to override the confusing effects of delirients.

He said that the acid made it easier for him to tell what was real and what wasn't real. And that because you are tripping when you are on a psychedelic, that carries on into the datura intoxication. I probably should have asked him the dose he took. But thinking to my acid experiences, it makes sense. Acid makes you sane. It can show sensory perceptions that did not exist and of course at higher doses it removes your ego. That's kind of a good thing when your sleepwalking.

What do you guys think? Could mixing acid with a delirient work as well with others as it did with my friend? Or does it largely depend on the individual and their experience in psychonautics?

 

I would counsel extreme caution. Doing a first experiment with a material in combination with something else does not sound wise IMHO. Seems like it makes sense to get to know each one individually first. But, I see you are trying to avoid some of the more profound effects of the delirients. Tropanes scare me, but I have read accounts and discussed with psychonauts (on the Internet) of trips involving low to medium level doses with single datura seeds, etc., i.e. super low-dosing on the tropanes just to give the acid a unique little twist. I would never try it or recommend it though.

Please keep us informed.

 

I agree with Spicey be very careful with that mix and I would dose them individually before a combination. I imagine not only would this combo vary from person to person but also from trip to trip. Acid can actually get quite confusing and disorienting in and of itself if the dose is high and/or setting is not properly planned.

 

sounds like a stupid idea.

He probably got a very low dose of the tropane alkaloids. If you ate enough to induce delirium they would almost certainly overwhelm the LSD effects.

 

I imagine they would magnify each other like most combinations of drugs. In other words you would suffer the alkaloid delerium but fueled with the fractal fluidity of lucy . . . i imagine it would be a state of maximal confusion and loss of sobriety

 

If you want to try something like this and it's not cuz you got weak acid try smoking belladonna while on acid and trust me you'll learn your lesion xD.

 

I should point out that my friend doesn't use delirients anymore. Perhaps the acid kicked his ass while on the delirients, while showing him the last bit of fun he will ever have with it. I'm going to ask him about it more later.

 

Yea', careful with that idea. I know after smoking Datura about 4 days earlier, there was still a noticeable effect from it when I took a couple puffs of chronic. It could be an apples and oranges comparison there but,,, Certainly interesting experience but I'd recommend micro-dosing with the Datura to where you can barely perceive an effect from the Datura and then consider taking a half tab ontop of it.

Test these waters well as they could easily become much deeper than you are hoping for or expecting.

 

I would rather suggest taking 2 or more times less than what you need to feel any effects if combined with acid.. Cuz even very very very small doses can produce much more than expected...

Like few puffs or joint with just a tiny bit.... And I think it's definitely better, if needed, to increase amount of acid than amount of Datura or other similar plant...

 

wondering why you would want to do this? just curious? datura seems so poisony, and LSD so pure. Just seems wrong but since I haven't done it can't speak from experience. I do have friends that temporarily lost their vision on jimpson so can imagive that could be horrifying while tripping on L.

 

I've always stayed clear of the tropane alkaloids. But I've always been curious about these said delirients as well. These do after all make you hallucinate for real, psychedelics don't really do that. When he told me the idea, I thought to myself that maybe it was possible for yourself to override the hallucinations. As stated LSD is in so many ways pure clarity, while delirients are pure poisoning madness. In other words, the psychedelic acts as an agent of clarification, while datura acts as a confusant. Clarity overrides confusion I would imagine; which is why he was able to stay in his bed.

But I suppose everyone is different, so I would not suggest anyone take this combo or especially datura alone lightly. In fact, using shrooms instead of acid might work as well, especially since shrooms has less of a stimulating feeling. Then again, perhaps the stimulating feeling overcoming the poisonous qualities of the plant is the key to overriding the datura confusant. Well either way I'll get more info about this.