Anti-feminist/post-feminist women?

eheheh, I'm actually pretty "domesticated". I cook, I clean, but only because I'm good at it, I enjoy it, and he'll just screw it up.
And I give the best massages.

 

Why not? I'd like to know more about your opinion about what I just said

 

If you insist:

I don't think that the latter means that we still live in a patriarchal society. Would discrimination stop existing if we lived in a matriarchal society? What about in a truly equal opportunity society?
I don't think there's going to be complete peace between men and women ever.

But when I talk about modern day feminism, I'm talking about how it's practiced right now.
I'm talking about cooked statistics on the wage gap.
I'm talking about how women are so favored in divorce/custody court; and but that's not a hot issue at all, if it even is an issue outside of small groups.
I'm talking about how men can't flirt with women, because they might get sued.
I'm talking about how, celebrities go spouting off about how they don't need men when they adopt a child after their relationship/marriage falls through. (and no one cares)

These things all seem rather matriarchial to me.

It depends on what you're demanding for, how you demand it, etc.

There's no way in hell that affirmative action hasn't created some white racists. And I can't see how one could conceivably think it fair, to force men with better grades out of a college opportunity because of their gender.

My Java teacher gave us a short little speech during one of our first classes; cause all the students that class were white males (there was a black guy in our class too, but he wasn't there), and he looked around and said,
"If any of you were thinking about transferring from CMU, forget it. They have trouble filling up their quota of women, because of their specialty in technology, and so they only come to us [a community college] for transfers to get females. I've had two students successfully transfer to CMU in my 10 years here, both were female, one was black. Sorry if I'm bursting any of your bubbles, but that's just the way it is."

 

Thank you for this, it certainly made me realize some things. I think that it wouldn't really stop if the society become matriarchal, but I really think we need a society which isn't either matriarchal or patriarchal but a society which respects whatever your gender or sexual orientation is. I think achieving complete peace between men and women is a hard thing, but I hope we can have it someday.

 

agreed. how about nobody caring what gender you are?

 

Yes. I think what's important is respect for the other person. I think that we are all different human beings and should be treated equally and we all deserve equal rights, privileges, restrictions, and just about the same of everything.

 

Hmmm. At my work, most of the management are women, I know for a fact most of the women are paid better, and get more hours. And all the hupper management are male... hmmm.

 

^ at my first job, some females got paid better than the males for the grunt work (cashier/bagger/stock) jobs -- but that was due to the manager having a harder time refusing females when they were trying to get an extra raise (the union rules had set raises, but he would give them bonuses)

I hold it against him, not them.

 

I find this an interesting example. Indeed, if my memory serves, all the palm readers I've seen in a number of world capitals were women.

Then again, some of the highest diviners in Candomble are male. But that's academic.

My attitude toward generalizations is this, "Yes, if my memory serves, most people I have seen in this or that situation in common were of this gender or that, but that does not conote anything biological. Just like most construction workers in New York are Irish, and most deli owners in Brooklyn are Muslims, but it's mere chance."

 

I'm a somewhat feminist on certain things, but not everything. And I don't view ALL men as pigs or such.

But I am against pornography (any or all that degrade women), cheerleading (like the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders; their just there to exploit themselves as sex symbols for a ball team), and abortion (I just can't think of killing my unborn child no matter what; sorry).

 

I'm a feminist, and I believe feminism still has a lot of work to do. There are still only 17 women in the U.S. senate, right?

At the same time I feel that men are facing a lot of problems today and in a way these problems are even more serious, if only because they're so often ignored.

Men are increasingly viewed as potential pedophiles. (See Lenore Skenazy's recent article "Eek! A Man!" in the Wall Street Journal).

The suicide rate for men is way too high and nearly five times that of women. Male suicide should be treated as an epidemic, but the issue is mostly ignored, and when it's addressed at all, it tends to be dismissed with the cliche: "Men are afraid of expressing their feelings." It would be truer to admit that a lot of people just aren't ready to hear how men feel. Men know it and this increases their isolation.

Society is giving men, especially young men, mixed signals about what's expected of them, suggesting that the traditional male role is obsolete while at the same time requiring them to play that role--and punishing them, often harshly, if they don't. Rather than moving "beyond gender," we've gone into a kind of gender denial that leads to all sorts of suffering for women and men both. I'm beginning to think it would be better to revive the old ideals of "lady" and especially "gentleman," or better yet create updated versions that allowed for economic/political equality but that admitted difference, and even celebrated it. This would be more honest.

Maybe the biggest problem of all is the general reluctance to admit that women possess a sexual power that men simply do not have. Women's sexual power really does matter, and it's denial leads to suffering all around. I don't think this issue, like so many men's issues, can be dealt with politically. Artistically, maybe, but most of today's novelist/filmmakers/storytellers shy away from the theme, which is a great shame.

 

I really like that post and will definitely ponder this gender denial you mention

 

More women than men actually attempt suicide, men are just better at doing it. Once again proving if you want to get shit done you gotta get a man to do it:sifone:

 

Feminism is a good thing. The middle east is in dire need of a feminist movement.

But there is a fine line between "feminism" and "femi-nazism"

I'm sure you all know the difference