if you love drugs and i know you do...

Moral of the story, stick to pot, acid and mushrooms :2thumbsup:

 

...and ecstasy

 

alcohol might be more harmful to your health, but it is less harmful to your social life and surviving skills than heroin. I assume there are more socially functional alcoholics than heroin addicts

 

No one ever died from lack of a social life

(Suicide excluded)

 

I am not talking about lack of social life, but about social disfunctionality.

I wouldn't even say junkies lack social life, on contrary, they are forced to be out there and communicate in order to get money and then their drugs. It's just that at some point due to the effects drugs like heroin have on people, they become socially disfunctional: lose their jobs, sell their stuff and commit crimes in order to get what they can't live without. So do some alcoholics, but

I have seen quite a few people who start their day with a few drinks of whiskey then carry on through their day as normal, take care of their families and perform their duties at work, get wasted in the evening then wake up the next morning and do it all over again. That's being socially functional. I haven't seen any socially functional heroin addict so far. They can hang on for a while under somebody's pressure and supervision until they completely can't give a shit about anything and fuck up.

Of course you'll tell me alcoholics would eventually destroy their liver, whereas heroin addicts probably stay in a better physical shape, but hey what's better? You'll die anyways so why you need your health or liver? or if you die anyways what's the difference, you might as well enjoy it and die of an overdose. Whatever blows your whistle

 

^ Thats kind of grim... Why bother maintaining a job and trying to function if you're going to die anyways?

 

many reasons

-you have a family to sustain
-you need money and minor functionality to get your drugs, unless somebody else pays your drugs, place to stay, food, bills
-you enjoy things in life (apart from drugs) that require money and functionality
-you enjoy being a part of society

and such

 

Fair enough I would say being an alcoholic effects everyone of those points negatively. Although I guess you could still enjoy society at bars.

 

My point is just because heroin seems to cause less damage to physical health doesn't mean that it is less harmful. It causes enough damage to mental health, so people eventually stop caring about anything and go on with their habit up until the point when they start hurting themselves physically: not eating, not caring about hygiene, catching deseases, dying of an overdose. And if at least they were happy, but it's an everyday tragedy and drama, they hate it themselves and cause pain to everyone who loves them. Both alco addiciton and heroin addiction are terrible, but it is easier to keep drinking habits in check and under control than heroin habits imo
I 'd rather be a socially functional alchie with a fucked up liver than a healthy but out of control heroin user

 

Most of these are related to illegality and subsequent lifestyle changes. It seems to me that the UK had it right when they were prescribing it for people with addiction - resulting in fewer addicts and little social disruption. I personally wouldn't touch it (in the absence of terminal illness), but for someone with a habit to have known doses, clean works, etc. is the only humane way. And I think at least some of those UK folk were functional to some extent.

THE GREATER ISSUE IS WHAT IF EVERYONE TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT DRUGS AND RISKS OTHER THAN THOSE RELATED TO ILLEGALITY!! And what if decent treatment was available for people who finally woke up to the social, psychological, spiritual impoverishment of living like Bill Burroughs in Tangiers?

 

Id rather be an alkie probably too but alcohol effects all these points you are making, alcoholics neglect hygiene, have poor eating habits, miss work, get sick, etc. I think that's the overall point the study was trying to make. Since the number of alcohol users far outweigh the number of heroin users the data tries to reflect it.

I think an extension of this study should have been done that tries to show some kind of anectdotal evidence of simply using the drugs without all the extra variables. It could have been included to perhaps give a better perspective to this research.

 

I'm not picking on you, but I grew up in an alcoholic home and it wasn't good. A dumb-ass nodding off seems a lot better than an angry, violent drunk. But obviously neither one is good!