whatever you do don't start experimenting with syringes

I'm not even going to reply to this insensitive bullshit.

 

roorshack, you are just another prove about the ignorance involving drug use lol. ofcourse it is dumb of me trying to convince how bad all this is on a drug forum. you can't judge me if you don't know me.

edit: I don't have to take this crap from strangers, i just came here trying to give my advice from personal experience..i wonder how many of you people have actually been in the real drug scene..you would know that i'm not just preaching lol.

 

It's the truth.
Drugs, like everything else, are inherently neutral, it is us, ourselves that ascribe any type of negative or positive meaning to them and every other aspect of life.
Drug ABUSE is a matter of self control. Granted there are some substances that are physiologically addictive, but once a persons body has re-established the chemical balance that the drug put out of balance, then it comes down to simple self control.
As Roor said, you state in this thread that even after going through rehab and counseling that you have gone back to the drugs that got you in trouble in the first place. THAT is an issue of self control.
I'm not trying to be insensitive concerning your situation, but there does come a point that you have to accept responsibility for yourself and your situation. The drugs didn't force themselves on you, you took them by choice, same as you took them by choice after rehab.
With the drugs, self-mutilation, and other things you mention, your problem is not the drug addiction, that is just a symptom, your issues are much deeper and broader than that it would appear.
Coming to a forum such as this expecting to find real help for your issues is rather naive on your part.
This forum is a wide assortment of individuals, many of whom use or abuse substances. This is not the place to seek help for emotional or psychological issues that you have attempted to deal with through drug use.
You need good, stable, face to face help, and not to engage in these "debates" on the internet.

I wish you well on your journey to emotional peace.
Just remember that you are not indicitive of the majority of drug users and therefore don't condemn others for what they do.

Everything outside of yourself is completely neutral, it's what you do with it that determines it's ultimate impact on your life and the lives of those around you.

 

its not just me..i saw so many people go under because of drugs..but these discussion forums are not doing me much good..i still need to mentally stabilise..

 

some of my best friends are still on heroin...one of them saw his own father hang himself...he inherited 80.000 euro..he wasted it all on heroin..he now survives by staying at friends and all. some are at prison right now... i even wonder about some people if they are still alive.

edit: but really...real addicts don't spent their time on the internet ^^..

 

There is the VERY IMPORTANT point you don't seem to be comprehending.

Those people you saw go under didn't go under because of drugs, that is just a symptom of other issues.
Those that do "go under" from drug abuse I garuntee have other much deeper and more fundamental problems that led them to abuse drugs.

You seem to keep wanting to focus on the drugs rather than focusing on what brought you to abuse them to the point of addiction. You even commented that you relapsed due to boredom. The drugs had nothing whatsoever to do with your feelings of boredom, they were just the method you have learned to alleviate the boredom.
You need to learn to recognise that and find other outlets to alleviate your boredom, depression or whatever brings you to the point of wanting to take drugs again. That is the only way you will ever gain victory over ANY type of addiction.

 

Yes, i understand that. but drugs is a very dangerous medium of dealing with these symptons..i ended up in the hospital tons of times. i'm really happy to be still alive..

 

I did not attack you, and never expressed a disliking to you..

"Wishing you the best" does not translate to "drop dead".. mks.. :love:

 

sorry..i just always get in a bad mood posting here on the hipforums.. my intention of this post was actually to warn those who have the potentional of going under because of substance abuse..and its not just a few people who are vurnable for it.

ps: and most drug use is fine (i mean..it won't kill you or ruin your life entirely)..its particulary iv'ing..that is dangerously addicting..i don't think alot of people realise how addicting it is.

(and oh, when i mentioned the benzo's i didn't said i abused them...you know that benzo's are used on the recovery of drug addicts...)

 

you know..i'm guessing that alot of the people here are americans..i'm just going to have and conclude that they are entire aliens to me...the culture in america is probably alot different then here..belgium is plagued by depression and drug abuse ^^. I think the drug scene is alot wilder here..we don't snort silly oxycontin and other pharma stuff..yea, i injected ritaline alot..but that is underrated potent stuff when iv'ed ^^...using the right extraction methods.

 

or ingest or whatever...all those pills are nowhere avaible on the drug market here. and even trough a doctor its very hard to get it because of the opium laws.

 

you can get a gram of heroin here for 5 euro...and decent heroin..i don't get it why you people in america pay tons of money for silly pills that you can't even IV..

 

i dont pay much at all for my medications, mostly all them are narcotics ... And I just eat them( the instructions are on the bottle) ... Ive snorted an Oxycontin before,, plenty actually.. but there isnt anything to gain by that other than a stuffy nose..
The onset of some dental pain the other day I snorted an OC only cause I was in bad mood with the procedure done on my teeth previously was incorrect....
Now I got some antibiotics, So Ill just take the pills orally til my root canal next week sometime..

 

All-

Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks.

 

I think that is a noble intent

Yes; the drug culture is way different here; and we are loaded down with propaganda about how drugs are bad -- and get taught in our schools and on our TVs the ill effects of drug use.
Most of us here probably see a connection between prohibition and heavy gang violence/a gangster-sympathetic culture -- so we are going to be a lot less likely to accept anything like 'drugs are bad' when we see how much harm the outlawing of drugs has done.

 

the only propanganda i got about drugs was when i was about 10 and a catholic nun came to our school and she said how you could spot junkies with their red eyes...ofcourse its hard to take that serious. but maybe i'm not giving much agruments myself..its really difficult to describe the subtle way of destruction drugs can bring...it all starts so innocent.

(voilence and drugs are totally unrelated here in belgium..now and then you get to hear that a junky has been murdered by the drug mob..but thats it)

 

american drug propaganda does go a little to the extreme..if i have to believe the media every methhead over there is a criminal..american media goes a little to the stereotyping side to much..thats my feeling. criminality and drugs are linked yes...because its a illegal market..but the drug mob is untouchable here..unfortunatly enough..the police doesn't even try to solve the problem..instead they just sent junkies to rehab and prison and catch the small dealers..never the big ones.

 

"I just totally fucked my life up IV'ing"

"why do you pay for pills you can't even IV?"

 

why would you not iv after knowing what it is like to iv? its a sea of difference. thats the stupid thing about iv'ing..nothing compares to it. if you are going to mess with opiates you might aswell mess yourself up completly by iv'ing...how can you do opiates on regular basis? thats impossible..you need higher dosage all the time..those pills get expensive like hell.

 

What personal attacks????