Renewable fuels a bad plan - more fossil fuels is the solution

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by anjolinarcher, Dec 1, 2004.

  1. anjolinarcher

    anjolinarcher Banned

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    This artcile is a response to a response to an article I posted yesterday titled "'Methane is 25 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide" in this forum

    For more information on these topics, go to my website at Angelfire.com/art2/fontaine
    But I thik that recycling vegetable oil make a better safety fuel.
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    Yes, I think I agree that recycled cooking oils make for a clean burning fuel but there is only so much fried chicken in the world. Creating agriculture to support the energy industry through renewable fuel programs has a host of problems that environmentalists are ignoring in their quest for issues to support that distract us from the reality that we can clean up this planet and inspire more industry if we remove them from the process. Solving the problems of polution would put a lot of people out of work that make their living complaining about industry but would create new and better jobs running our world responsibly, while the enemy in industry that destroys our planet more and more everyday chugs right along billowing out death to mother earth. Renewable fuels means growing food to burn as fuel which means cutting down more forests and spreading more fertilizers that also need energy to produce. Then it has to be processed which requires even more energy. Agriculture fertilizers is perhaps the worst threat to the future of the planet while creating a market for agricultural products for used as fuel would take away the incentive for farmers to grow food for third world nations that depend on cheap grain prices in order for their populations to survive. Crude oil is a renewable fuel. Contrary to the clap trap that is fed to the public to keep the oil market unstable, although it took millions of years for the fossil fuel we are consuming today to reach a harvestable peak, more oil is reaching that peak today, as well as natural gas. Death is the source of crude oil. We are the renewable source of this product for as life becomes death, it digests to mothers womb where it is returned to us as a healthy source of energy, that is if we use it the way she intended us to use it. We are sitting on an explosive sea oil energy that grows larger everyday. Does anyone wonder what would happen if we did not harvest this fuel from underneath the ground we live on? It is not impossible to consider that a large volcanic eruption or meteorite could set off a cataclysmic set of events that would not have been fatal to the earth if there was not so much artillery buried under our feet rising to the surface of our world looking for way to return from where it came from which is the sun. Life on this planet is a solar collector for the suns energy and it is possible that much of the process of our environments violent evolution has to do with too much energy building up in mother womb that has no canal to be reborn through and seeks a cataclysmic birth. Perhaps our evolution is for the sole purpose of coming to understand this process and manage it responsibly. Perhaps we have gotten lost and perhaps we had better find out way soon because as long as our race is run by idiots, we will never be able to serve the needs of our purpose. I believe our purpose is so grand that we have not even begun to imagine it yet but God and the Bible has nothing to do with what our purpose is. We have been distracted and we had better find out our direction before some nut job points six billion human beings in the wrong direction and isn't able to change the policy he created before we all go to hell which doesn't exist right up their next to heaven. We are hear. Politics and religion don't change it. It isn't about philosophy or politics. If the shit is put together right, it works, if it is put together wrong, we fuck it up. It aint complicated. However we got to where we are and whomever had a hand or plan in getting us here, they have no more answers than you or I do about the future or the world wouldn't look the way it does, so the game is still wide open while we all had better decide to become serious players until this thing is settled or we could fuck this whole thing up. Without us, the universe would be nothing but a dark void with wonders that can never be witnessed and noises that can never be heard. We are it and we had better decide that this is important enough to take seriously.
     
  2. TheForestWanderer

    TheForestWanderer Member

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    Ya know... I can't make heads or tails of your argument. What on earth are you talkin' about anyway?? Sounds to me like a long, winding, unbroken sentence of gibberish!
     
  3. jivre

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    He man I was talking about to recycling used oil, not to producing plants (and to needing energy and ressources) only to burning for energy!

    You are scary, man.

    I don't understand all your flabbergasting talking cause english is not my first language, but I hope You'll understand me.

    1-Petrol is not a sea oil energy that grows larger everyday Every millions of years, so.

    2-as long as our race is run by idiots, we will never be able to serve the needs of our purpose. Talk for you. Humanity is not american society. Think about natives people, and who lives as One with Nature. Is there a lot of alternative lifestyles.

    3-It is not impossible to consider that a large volcanic eruption or meteorite could set off a cataclysmic set of events that would not have been fatal to the earth if there was not so much artillery buried under our feet . Comon! YES! It's impossible to consider when you know a bit this phenomens (volcanism, petrology, meteorite imopacts). Go to scool, or in some good and serious websites on environmental geology.

    4-If the shit is put together right, it works, if it is put together wrong, we fuck it up. I don't understand that, but I know it's not my personnal trip!

    5- If God and the Bible has nothing to do with what our purpose is and that Without us, the universe would be nothing but a dark void, man you seem pretty lonely.

    6-But!: We have been distracted and we had better find out our direction before some nut job points six billion human beings in the wrong direction Hey, if you are so lonely, why you don't go hugging all this six billions humans! That could be the good direction! no?

    7- it digests to mothers womb where it is returned to us as a healthy source of energy, that is if we use it the way she intended us to use it. For me, you talk about rape. How you can say that is it returned to us when we dig, drill, fumble in her abdomen? How can you pretend that she intended us? I think you don't listen her voice. You seem not seeing her danse. How can you say that it's a healthy source of energy? Healty for what?

    You can Asking to this bird, I think he is a good sing of meening of mother Earth!
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    Maybe you prefer seeing this sing from "god" and "mother":
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    Anyway, if it's not understanding by you, maybe some of users will be enjoy by the following text about cycles of carbon.


    So...
    For beeing short,

    Is there two cycles of carbon. One is short, one is long.

    The short cycle, is from air, to plants and other photosynthetic organisms, to predators, and soils, with shit and dead, and exahalation in each step. Same thing in water. That is the way of life.

    In this cycle, all carbon expired, burned, and so in the air, is ready to return in the Life by chloroplasts in cells of green organisms. We are, humans, in this cycle.
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    The long cycle is sedimentation of carbon, sinse millions of years. In the past Earth was many more hot, athmosphere was many more carbonic, and life was pretty different. I don't know why, but sinse her born, Earth is stocking, trapping her carbon in the ground, and in the underground. With the action of life, carbon is reduced in the air. Maybe is just a coincidence, but the atomic number of carbon is 6, and in the old cabbale (tarot, ect), six is the sign of incarnation, down, physic and basic love, and attachment. In fact, carbon make polymer who permit the life. Any way, the long cycle of carbon is sedimentation. Maybe petrol and natural gas have natural roles in the underground, like a lubricant for tectonic movements by example. That's no ducumented but if it's real, that would be an explication for the less earthquakes, and volcanic activities, on the earth between our time and mesozoic, paleozoic and older time.


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    I see that since the begining of life, the earth is softer, and carbon monoxid is lower in the air.

    The earth when athmospheric carbon monoxys was on top, of cretace age(mesozoic) by 4000 ppm
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    More: This climate was adapted for giant insects, fishs, reptiles, ferns...
    But a mammal, like us, is a creature who need an other weather on the earth. Mammal and birds , flower plants, were really developped in ecocene and pliocene (look up in the graph) when CO2 was lower in the air, and this, just before the mass species extinction of today. (by deforestation, pollution, and recently, climatic changes!)

    I Don't say that with fossil fuels we return in the dinosaurus times, but I love to show this wonderful pics...
    North American Pleistocene
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    I don't know why, but if Mother Earth is strapping her carbon in her underground, and the world we know is giving us all we need, is a bit wrong to search far in her body some of her fluid reposing since millions of years and changing climate and our life conditions.

    So, the carbon long cycle is slow, and constant. But now, he is short-circuited by petrol industries, and expolitation of limestone. And the short cycle, easy to tame with planting plants, is over-charged by underground carbon. We don't listen our mother earth, now. She knows what is good for her and us. And seeking petrol and burning limestone (CaCO3) for our urban and modern appetites is surely non-natural! And global climate is dependant of carbon short cycle, by greenhouse effect. We make a world against our own ecologic conditions. All this for what???

    So I think we have to stop it now.


    p.s. Sedimentation of carbon in the underground is from ancient life, like on this pics. They have right to R.I.P, and maybe they have a natural role in there. That does part of past of surface of the earth. It's an energy of death. Making war, sikness.

    Renewable fuel is clean if it's recycling.

    And planting plants is our only nice chance of biologic futur. Making the world against our own natural ecology will make us dependent of technology (and who controls it).

    Planting, planting, seeds of love, germs of life.

    om.
     
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