One of my best friends is joining the Police Department.

Person of moral? Get the fuck out; someone in a big city or small town doesn't make anyone have more moral than another. Cops in the city vs a small town are PROTECTING the same fucking people. The GOVERNMENT, think about what government is doing to EVERYONE.

Wether they are stopping a murder or giving a small town ticket they are protecting the same fucking people who make ALL the rules.

FUCK THE POLICE AND FUCK THE SYSTEM.

The system is so fucking corrupt. People who fight for cops are fighting against there own freedoms.

fuck em let the law end
cause we simply get the raw end
coffins open dump em all in​

 

Yea! There's always one side of the spectrum that is true, and the other that is not.

 

with a system or without a system there is so such thing as a free society. there are certain counties in Africa that are anarchy no government all free. but guess what? gangs control these countries.

without government and police control a group of bad people will always band together and try to take over. there are always people out there that want power and control and think only about themselves.

without the system you would have to be part of a people formed militia. without being in a militia you could very easily get messed up.

no government and no control = chaos. no matter how much people want a peaceful perfect world, there will always be people out there that are evil.

rather than complain about the system be thankful for what you have. trust me it could be a lot worse.

 

Idk, this attitude doesn't really get anything done, whether you're trying to destroy the government or exist with it peacefully

the us is based on people complaining about shit and wanting it another way, people settle too much these days

 

Prisons for the Poor

Contributed by blackandred on Mon, 2010/12/06 - 4:45pm.
In sections:

• United States
• Poverty
• Security apparatus

Reservations for the Poor
The Return of Debtors' Prisons
By STEVE BREYMAN; December 6, 2010 - Counterpunch
http://www.counterpunch.org/breyman12062010.html
Spent any time recently (voluntarily or not) in an urban courtroom? After an hour or two, you’re quite certain that debtors’ prisons are back with a vengeance, and a twist. As to the vengeance: In New York City alone, according to a new report from Human Rights Watch, thousands of misdemeanor defendants are held in pre-trial detention every year because they’re unable to [pay] bail. Note the “pre-trial” part: these are folks merely accused rather than convicted of any offense. The situation is even worse than debtors’ prison because the accused don’t even owe a debt. They end up doing time in advance of a trial for the crime of being poor. It’s like a down payment on a sentence that may or may not include incarceration (but that’s not all the sentences may include, as we’ll see). What working poor person has $1000 lying around to invest in a municipal court as bail when they can’t make the rent, feed themselves or their children, or pay for heat? Nobody I’ve ever met. And what of the rest of our cities’ human flotsam, the unskilled, unemployed, homeless, seriously mentally ill, or substance-dependent?
The details are striking.
"Among defendants arrested in 2008 on non-felony charges who had bail set at $1,000 or less, 87 percent were incarcerated because they were unable to post the bail amount at their arraignment. On average, they spent almost 16 days in pretrial detention for low-level offenses. Most were accused of nonviolent minor crimes such as shoplifting, turnstile jumping [a.k.a. "fare evasion" - MW], smoking marijuana in public, drug possession, trespassing, and prostitution."
Nearly a quarter of the people spending time behind bars on Riker’s Island in 2008 ("one in four inmates") were there because they didn’t have the money to pay bail on a misdemeanor charge. These unfortunate souls may have been presumed innocent of the criminal charges by the judge, but they were nonetheless jailed for being poor. According to Human Rights Watch (HRW), “pretrial supervision” of misdemeanor defendants is an all-around superior alternative to jailing the poor. But New York City has no such program.
Bail exists to force a defendant back into the courtroom as a case progresses. Apart from establishing a pretrial supervision program, HRW recommends judges might replace cash bail by unsecured appearance bonds (a promise to pay a certain amount upon failure to appear). Failure to appear is hardly rampant in the City’s courts. HRW found that “84 percent of released defendants show up for all their court proceedings; and most of those who miss a scheduled court appearance come back to court within 30 days.”
Then there are the joys of imprisonment for New Yorkers presumed innocent.
"Jail can be dehumanizing, unpleasant, and even violent...It exacts a high toll on those who are incarcerated as well as on their families, who suffer from reduced income and absent parents or caregivers. Many defendants plead guilty simply to avoid or end pretrial detention. Indeed, guilty pleas account for 99.6 percent of the convictions of New York City misdemeanor defendants."
As if this routine injustice were not enough, there’s the twist, a problem not addressed by the HRW report. It concerns the sentences following the legal proceeding. Judges often sentence those convicted of nonviolent misdemeanors to some combination of community service and a fine. But if you didn’t have the wherewithal to prevent pre-trial detention, where will you find it to pay the fine? Perhaps Human Rights Watch will follow up the current study with one of this problem. How many people spend how much time behind bars because they fail to pay their court-ordered fines on time? Debtors’ prisons were common in the United States until the 1830s. Robert E. Lee’s father, and Declaration of Independence signatories James Wilson and Robert Morris spent time in prison for inability to repay debts. Gentlemen of such lofty station would not likely be incarcerated today for failure to pay (see the case last month of the hit-and-run hedge fund manager allowed a misdemeanor plea by a Colorado judge). Today, incarceration for inability to pay is reserved for the poor.

 

Not something I have thought about. But it turns out that way doesn't it. Something is definitely wrong. I don't know about that site though. It may have a lot of good information to prove some pretty unfavorable facts of a system's reality, and that scares me.

 

couldn't agree more orison.

this past summer i got arrested for a misdemeanor charge. i spent two days in jail before getting out because i didn't have the money for bail. then, when i went to court, my application for a court-appointed lawyer was declined on grounds that i was not-indigent -- the judge stated the reason being is that i am healthy and capable(even though the judge even agreed with me that i COULD NOT afford a lawyer, and i clearly stated my case showing past paystubs and bill payments and several letters from lawyers stating i couldn't afford them. not to mention that the current economy is in shambles and i've spent months at a time finding a single job. so my court date got extended and this sequence repeated itself several times over the next few months -- i refused to be denied. although eventually i got tired of going to court so i just represented myself. when i asked for the lawyer of the day the judge just said 'we don't have one.' and when i asked for a pre-trial diversion, the judge said 'you can only please innocent or guilty.' so i ended up having to plead guilty WITHOUT representation, and without the fundamental court rights of the court system, and just ended up with MORE fines. how fucked is that?

 

Ok, this is sort of good, I'm learning about the injustice of our justice system.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=queM4c-W048&feature=related"]YouTube - The Coming American Police State

 

im only 5 minutes in but the guy in this video is kind of a dick.. ill continue watching.

 

i bet they dont show that in civics class..

 

did you watch far enough where they guy was trying to get back on the freeway? those cops are fucking evil, then the gun, then the bitch tying to open the door the second time as if he is going to unlock it.

WTF!!!

 

He is fighting for OUR rights. The pigs are so full of shit.

 

Why not take your cue from how your friend behaves around you if he is accepted into the force.

If he draws lines around what he exposes himself to then find something else to do with him that you both still enjoy and maintain the friendship.

This does not have to be some big issue unless either of you make it one.

 

I would love to be a cop. I would write so many litter tickets the ticket paper used would impact deforestation.

 

Does that include Shale?
He was a cop when he was young.

 

maybe the police and/or the "system" is just the most powerful gang in the country?

why did you plead guilty?

what was the charge if you don't mind me asking?

i got arrested in october for disorderly conduct after telling two cops "you guys are fucking worthless, you know it?"
this was after i got assaulted in broad daylight, and had the license plate number of the guy that did it, corroborated by three witnesses, and the cops told me they weren't gonna do anything about it.
at court i ended up getting an offer of an ACD (ajournment in contemplation of dismissal), meaning if i don't get arrested within 6 months this will be dropped like it never happened. i chose to represent myself too. and i guess i might have pled guilty if it was just gonna be a fine.
this was just a violation, so yours sounds a bit more serious.

i don't think i'll ever try to use the cops to my advantage again. i'll deal with my own problems.

 

To say someone is bad just bc of their job is bs. anyone can be corrupt, evil or bad, no matter what job they have. Cops can take advantage of their powers, but some dont. I have had a lot of bad experiences with cops, but to label them all bad, bc of it is naive, and stupid, and immature. imo
I just met a really nice cop the other day, that helped me when I was stuck in a bad spot, with my 2 kids. Not all of them are bad. To assume all are bad, then we must assume all lawyers are blood sucking leaches, that all preachers molest children. etc. IT is stupid. I am being sarcastic if you can not tell. Just because one or more, do the wrong thing, or a "dick". doesnt make them all.