Im so gladi that i found this site. all these people talking about this in one place. I just want to tell everyone about my expierance. I was getting a tattoo and me and the artist starting talking about drugs and he asked me if i like acid and mushrooms and i told him that i did and he asked me if i ever heard of dmt. i hadnet at that point and he told me that if i was interested to go home and research it some and if i was still interested to come back and he would let me try it. I went home and checked it out on you tube and all the joe rogan stuff and this intrigued me. but i still thought i was bigger than this and there was no way this could compare to some of the hallucinations i have had on ecstacy and pcp. boy was i wrong.i ended up going back and set up a time to try it. the day came and i took my hit and the wall started shaking a little bit and he told me to hold the hit in, lay back, and close my eyes and WOW. i couldnt really comprehend what was happening because fear kicked in and i was fighting the feeling, but at the same time i couldnt fight it. my wife said that i picked my head up and opened my eyes and looked at her and she said she has never seen a fear in my eyes like that. and it was coming in waves and it was like something was telling me to relax but i couldnt. the visuals were so definitive and the colors were so sharp but yet i wasnt looking through my eyes. it was like everything in my body was dead except for this little piece of subconscience that was able to tell me a little bit about what was going on. when it wore off i was moving my arms around trying to touch something solid to let me know i could feel and as soon as i could stand up i did because i wanted to let myself know what i was in control and all i could say was im okay im okay and he looked at me and said i know. i was so happy to be alive that i hugged him .that was my first expierance with dmt and i did it for a second time about 2 months later and was able to relax but im going to save that for myself. i really home i can come across this again in my life. i will never forget this and it definately changed the way that i look at things. thank you for reading
I dont know why, because i was very nervous to try it, I held onto it for about a week before I did, but as soon as it hit me, I was like "...I've been here before" and I felt very comfortable. I actually smiled the whole time according to the people who sat around me. And I've had some VERY difficult times letting go on mushrooms before.
I think that's very normal. I looked at mine for weeks before trying it. During that first trip I got the strongest, "You have been here before. You will return here. Right now you are HOME." Both fascinating and profound for a middle-aged burnout without a lot of living or well-connected family/friends who understood to the deepest fiber of her soul that in consensual reality and this life, "You can never go home." Delightful and healing revelation.
See, this is why I'm still nervous about DMT because all that sounds exactly like Salvia which, to put it plainly, scared the shit out of me. It was a very uncomfortable, confusing and dysphoric experience, with a general undertone of "I shouldn't be here, this is very wrong." I am still not sure I grasp the differences in the Fear of DMT vs. Salvia... man, I was so revved and ready to try but now I'm hesitant again. Spicey?
Im not spicey but I'll add my thoughts anyways. Keep in mind this is generalization and almost every trip on either one varies in some way but they both do often retain similar themes. Salvia is a bit more ruthless in its approach ime. There seems no rhyme or reason to be doing what its doing and seems like a cruel joke. Dmt is more psychedelic in its approach but its like beating you over the head with love. There is just a knowing that everything will be alright with DMT as where salvia is not so reassuring.
Yeah, that's what I was hoping to hear... Salvia just made no fucking sense to me at all and the confusion was so intense it turned into fear. It was so pushy and expected something from me that I didn't know how to do. I tried, but it didn't give me any direction and got "pissed off" and "spit me back out" when I couldn't fulfill its demands. It also seemed to be mocking me (cruel joke) for having been stupid enough to believe my life up til that point was actually real or had any significance. But at the same time, the activity it wanted me to perform seemed pointless and without meaning (to me... it was VERY important to Salvia). I had the sense of being in a huge, chaotic crowd of people all pushing and shoving to do some type of activity and you land smack in the middle from above and try to mimic them but fail and end up getting trampled. It really was not a nice time... More psychedelic, I can handle. The utter nonsense I witnessed in Salvialand is a little harder for me to swallow...
You're gonna be okay SB. Why? Because DMT is seldom dissociative and thus less of a mindfuck. Also, it is inherently geometric and artistic and although right angles are not in use a lot (he he) it is recognizable geometry . . . unlike the distinctly non-Euclidian nature of sage-space. I cannot promise that you won't get pushed around by entities, but they are NOT the salvia entities. They are of a wholly different character. DMT can be alien, but in general, there is a welcoming, playful aspect to it. The main thing that elicits panic, IMHO is the body load. Sure, good old ego plays a big part, but SB, I think you know how to let go/surrender. Thus, I suspect you will be good to go as long as the feeling of a pounding heart or the hallucination that you have quit breathing and have no heartbeat are things that you can accept. When I find myself in hyperspace, with ego intact (wrong!) I try to ensure that I do not panic by doing very conscious abdominal deep breathing. I also repeat over and over (sometimes out loud). Let go, let it happen, it's okay, just surrender. Often during this mantra, the entities appear and my head becomes a bit silly and I find myself adding to them, I freely surrender to you. I love you. You guys are gonna LOVE Shpongle (or whatever)! If the build up is slower and ego is intact, I am like the little train that could. I repeat over and over, "I can surrender to DMT, I can surrender to DMT, I will surrender to DMT," etc.
dmt visiuals seem to consist of your brain randomly repeating patterns and objects across your vision so sporadically and intensiely that your mind makes new images from them. i remember that even at low doses, plant leaves in my very periferal would multiply and stretch in undefinable ways across a large area of my sight
^ I agree, the visuals are like almost a computer visualizer in your brain alot of times. I'm not really a fan of the view that the visuals of dmt are caused by subconscious expectations, desires, etc.
^^ Yeah, that sounds rational, . . . until a DMT breakthrough. Then it's like, . . . "In all of my experience, all of my reading and viewing of entertainment and gaming, all of my dreaming, all of my past trips, there is no way in hell that any part of my could have come up with all of this, even dancing with DMT! Where does this come from? DMT at many times, feels more like going to a place than taking a drug . . .
