Well George Washington agrees with me on this one...

I've been thinking lately about the whole political structure of America.
In my opinion its loyally fucked .


So you probably read the title and were like wtf?

I recently stumbled over an article explaining George Washington's plead too America to NOT have political parties due too the fact that it would defeat the whole ideals America was founded upon.

In my humble oppinion I feel that the presence of republican and Democratic political parties limits the individuality of most Americans.
Mostly due to the fact you feel obligated to conform to the ideals and beliefs of the party a majority of your views agree with.

I know there are much more parties then just the D&R.

What are your guys views on this?


Wavy Gravy says : Peace out! :sifone:

 

Individualism doesn't form a collective.

 

Our government needs to be ethically cleansed.

 

Interesting, can you go into more detail?

I agree , but my point is that presence of political parties forms a collective , and defeats individuality.

 

We live in a large-scale society.
Collectivism is the only realistic means of operation.

 

Can't agree more! Not only cleansed but totally restructured.

I feel many American's will agree, heck we elected an un-experienced politician due to the fact he said "change" a billion fuckinn times.

Sorry for the double post / edit problems.

 

I disagree , the only realistic thing about collectivism is the unavoidable spawn of conformity.

 

Explain to me how individualism works in a realistic basis in a nation of 300+ million people.

 

It is definitely not easy , but with politicians representing there own individual beliefs we as a people can connect our OWN views with theirs. Total absence of a party system would force American's too actually know who is running the country and select them because of what that PERSON stands for and not what the pre-selected views and beilefs of the party they stand for.

 

Not easy?
It's impossible.
Unless you plan on having 300+ million politicians, then some form of collectivism must take place. A politician is only one voice in charge of millions of other voices.

There is never going to be an absence of a party system. Such a system is natural to us. People have been like-minded and have been bandying together for thousands of years.

 

Why should that one voice be constricted to a strict outline of beliefs?

Though you are probably correct about the "never" , don't forget history repeats its self. All great powers perish , so there may be no removal of the party system , I feel the next great superpower of the world will not follow our model , *cough* China *cough*.

 

Political parties are only as coherant as people want them to be. The Republican and Democratic parties once had various and varied wings of the and still do to some extent.

 

Yeah there are wings of the parties, but honestly they don't surface much variety within.

 

so who says we have to have 300 million, or be one country. how about 90+% die off, and the rest form a dozen countries that are more homogenous as to the beliefs of their citizens?

 

^this

it could happen if we got rid of mass agriculture and the computers

 

It would, however, require breaking the power of the Feds. The only way that I see that happening is thru the destruction of the economy. When they can no longer pay their thugs to do their dirtywork, they will no longer have any power. Soldiers and cops don't work for free.

 

ahh yes. True true , but is anarchy truly the answer?

 

Political parties are not inherently bad
Two party system spells disaster though.
We operate on a free market economy, but then limit the political competition, what the hell?

 

A society of many paradoxs. Define freedom

 

Wavy,

I like your idea of getting rid of the political parties, but I just have to believe Neodude, I just don't think it's ever going to happen. I don't like the Republican Party because too many of them are too liberal. But I am a registered Republican because in my state you have to vote in the primaries in only your party. I forgot what that's called, a closed primary, maybe? Anyways, I wish the conservatives could have a stronger affect on the national political scene, because I believe Washington, Jefferson and the rest of the founding fathers would have voted for conservatives. I do like the idea of having to actually understand what the candidate stands for rather than just voting party. And many in the Republican Party are not conservatives at all.