Students Battle Police in UK! Prince Charles and Camilla Attacked!

Well, I will agree that apprenticeship programs seem to be a part of their education system.

I also agree that it can reduce the financial burden on students...

I most definitely do NOT agree that other countries could learn much from it... Unless of course you are comparing it to third world countries...

The end result of their programs (by whatever name you want to call them) does not give better results then the average developed country...

 

The German economy is the strongest in the EU, I like to think of it like the engine that pulls the train along. I think we can learn a lot from them.

What you have suggested here though (the final sentence) is pretty subjective, and I could ask you where the facts are to support that claim. Be you, basically. But i'm not going to because I am off to get some food.

 

In the UK, for e.g, apprenticeships have fallen over the last few decades.
They are not an integral part of the education system.
If apprenticeships were made almost compulsory for business' to provide for students, that would improve the education system and the students prospects. More of something, in this instance, would be a bonus.
If these programs were as much of an integral part of the education system as it is Germany (so it seems) it would increase the skills of more students and therefore increase the skill base of the country...which must be a good thing.
As for "better results" that's another issue.

 

I've already posted the facts that support that claim... You tried to brush it off as being my source and not facts...

But here's some more... and yes this is about school children... last time I checked, they are part of the education system.

There are two different issues you should consider from that...

1) They are not rated as being significanlt above or below the average... Meaning the results of the system are not any better then average...

2) Read that last line again... performance is more dependant on socio-economic factors then in most other countries... Perhaps I mis-understand what that means, but it says to me, that it is a class system... the poor get fucked...

 

Tom, you are referencing compulsory education not further eduction.

 

I'm not a school child. And performance has little to do with anything, here. Again, a persons performance is a pretty subjective argument

what really makes a person better at their job? There's dozens of theories, but if somebody could actually discover the answer to this question they will probably be awarded the noble prize.

This is a fiscal discussion. Though some of the points in this thread I would like to discuss on the site at a later date, however.

If that's an opinion of yours though, then it's fair enough- we are aloud to have them.

 

How would it increase the skills, when the end result in germany is only average?

How about we forget about germany and what they may or may not do, seems that is the part we keep clashing over...

Is an apprenticeship program a good thing? YES... in fact, it should be a part of EVERY school system, from kindergarten up to post-secondary schools.

Should businesses contribute to education? YES... as part of the taxes they pay.. just as they should contribute to health care... because thier businesses depend on having competent and healthy employees... (whether or not the employer acknowledges that...)

I'll even go further and say that education should be free... period...

Without educated people, we are all doomed. Why put roadblocks in front of people who wish to learn?

To jump the gun on responses... The costs of paying for people's education is minuscule in the cost of having substandard employees...

 

Yeah, that ends my participation in this discussion.

 

:crowngrin:

a little to the left, right???

 

Performance is important, though. I do want to stress that, i'm not diminishing it whatsoever. It's just something different.

 

I'm saying it would increase the amount of people with skills.
If you have no skills having more of an opportunity to gain some is a 100% improvement in your chances in life.
If the UK skill levels, of the general population, is on a par with Germany, then I agree we do not have anything to learn from them, really.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country#Human_Development_Index

Germany 10 UK 26

Learning from Germany would be a good start.

Fair point.

 

Learning from any of the top 9 would be better, no?

 

I'm not even sure if we're still talking about college financing since I only read the last 2 posts, but my advice is don't learn from the US when it comes to college financing.

I say we just steal Norway's oil money trust fund and just spread it around.

 

LOL, that and canada sorta bothered me as well... I wasn't judging the quality of the list, it was the one quoted to me, so I used it...

 

I have to admit, I would have to find out the actual skill levels of both countries in greater detail.
The differences in the e.gs we give are minuscule, really.
I think we might be looking at the wrong data.
Are there more skilled people, per capita, in Germany?
On the surface, having more apprenticeships available must have a significant effect on how many people have skills than don't.

 

Can we all agree that ALL the school systems in use pretty much need to be fixed and leave this conversation at that?

 

I looked out my window last night and saw Camilla kicking my car.

What. A. Bitch.

 

i was there !! it was crazy the windows were meant to b bullet proof aswell

 

EXCLUSIVE: Royals' mob Rolls had no protection
The classic Rolls-Royce which Charles and Camilla were driving in when they were attacked by rioters was virtually unprotected, police sources revealed.
The 1977 Phantom VI has no bulletproof glass, no bomb-proofing and no basic security measures like run-flat tyres or an intercom.
It is believed the Prince insisted on using the car, normally used for State occasions. The news that the vehicle was so unsafe adds to questions which must be answered by the Royals' protection unit, caught unawares by a mob of students while escorting the heir to the throne to a Royal Variety Performance during the fees demo in London on Thursday. The car was damaged and the Duchess of Cornwall hurt with a stick poked through a window as the mob chanted "off with their heads".
A police insider said: "It beggars belief they did not choose a more secure vehicle.



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did they seem like sitting ducks? i mean, did it seem staged to you? and did you see Camilla get poked in the ribs with a stick? is that true?