Why do indoor growers have to go to such measures as "innoculation via degermed syringe" and lysol sprays when outdoor mushrooms grow in poop in the "perils of the outdoors." Is there an indoor method where I don't have to wear sterile gloves and lysol the whole house? Indoor growing methods are antibiotic and outdoor growing is very of probiotic. I'd go as far as growing from cow poop...as long as it's indoors. haha
Mushrooms compete with each other and other organisms. Mushrooms in the wild do not grow on every cow patty. Sterile techniques just increase the likelihood success.
I have no idea what your trying to say.. Mushrooms grow on substrates- soil is a substrate, but it dont have enough nutrition to flush many shrooms.. outdoors its hit and miss with Rain and Sun, There could be a billion spores on a patty, if its snowing then it aint going to do any good.. To grow indoors you have to provide the sterile conditions, correct temp, humidity and lighting.. if you cant do those simple things, just let bread get moldy and eat that - cause thats all your going to get by taking shortcuts..... There are 100 ways to simplify growing mushrooms, one thats very easy is spore syringe and a grain bag.. you cant mess that up, 2nd grade school kids can pull it off and probably do with edible strains time and time again..
Ok, no need to be sassy, mr. squirrel. I don't want to eat moldy bread. I just think there has to be a more natural growing method. I'm not incompetent or lazy in any way, I just like to nurture things in the way they were meant to be nurtured.
He's just telling you no, there is not a superior, easier, or more natural way to cultivate mushrooms indoors.
You obviously don't understand the difference between what mother nature can do on a hugely large scale and what you can do in your house. You can use cow manure indoors, if your over your phobia of cleaning products and gloves i'll post a link.
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My phobia of cleaning products is here to stay, I don't mind the gloves though. I've read through pf tek, which seems simple enough...just wondering about alternatives. There's always alternatives...What's with the narrow minds? I can understand saying that you don't know of a better method and here's a sample of the most popular/proven methods, but saying that an alternative does not exist is just someone "paranoid" of change.
There is not a superior method of indoor cultivation. I don't recall anyone saying an alternative does not exist. The protocol exists as it was developed over time to assure success. But I tell you if it makes you feel more open minded to take your chances, I don't object.
I wish there was a better method, believe me i do, but since i understand what i am doing i understand the steps that need to be taken to achieve the results i want in the time i want. I use a variation of the pf tek to bulk that works for me, however all the sterilization is the same. If you do not sterilize your growing medium what every you are colonizing in and your FC you are going to get contams. This is fundamental, as far as what you use for the materials is up to you after that as long as you understand what the shrooms will need to grow. Try using boiling water instead of bleach/whatever. try posting this question here if you think we are being narrow minded. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
Yeah, of course there's a more natural method. Buy a cow pasture. But if you want to grow sterile, potent, indoor mushrooms, just like hydroponic cannabis, you need to control all the variables possible and put them in the ideal ranges for your mushrooms to flourish. I don't see what you don't understand, it's quite simple, really. If you don't wanna put lysol in your shit, use isopropanol, boiling water, I dunno what. Use your head. If you think there should be alternatives, figure them out.
One spore syringe can be made into gallons of liquid culture. One spore print, agar culture and mushroom tissue can also make gallons. Liquid cultures are economical, as 1cc from a spore syringe can supply you with a large volume of liquid inoculant which can be used on many jars/bags. Also if the liquid inoculant is a clone (generated from sectored agar or mushroom tissue), then each jar should show similar growth speeds and maturity.
Ok. Seriously? This should be moved to The Shroomery. And look into their sponsor TMS, you can buy pre-sterilized, sealed bags of medium/substrate ready for inoculation. Dummyproof. Store unused bags in 'fridge for months... Multiple flushes of fruit if you work it right. Takes up the space of a bout a shoebox. Will survive most any closet you can throw it into. :sunny:
Lysol is bullshit. Get an empty spray bottle and fill it with cheap ISO alcohol. Gloves don't need to be 'sterile'. Just clean them and spray them with the alcohol. Don't buy disposable, get a reusable pair. Unless you have a noticeable mold problem in your house don't over concern yourself with keeping a sterile house. Your concern should go into properly preparing, sterilizing, and injecting your substrait. If you do those things correctly you will not have to worry about them contaminating. Also Lysol doesn't sterilize the air, so don't go spraying that shit all over your house. If you are worried about air born contamination maybe look into building a cheap glove box.
Also for readers sake, if you have established mycelium, it will colonize on substrate that has been treated with peroxide, thus preventing new contam growth.
If you want to grow mushrooms the crunchy organic way the only method you have to grow mushrooms inside is to go to a farm that has mushrooms growing naturally and collect some cow patties that you know to be colonized with a psychoactive species and bring them home ..... place them in a tupperware bin and nuture and fruit them that way (of course this to will probably not work very well because as soon as you take the cow patty of the wild setting throw the natural ecology of the competing fungi out of whack and youll grow alot of mold) But to try to nuture a fungi from spores (or even agar tissue cultures) to mushrooms indoors without sterilizing the substrate is not possible without the use of some serious antibiotics and fungicides that are active against imperfect fungi (molds). The reason for this is a basidomycete like P. cubensis or Pan. trop can not compete with a imperfect fungi or a bacteria for substrate because mold and bacteria grow and reproduce to quickly. Look at how fast bread mold can colonize a loaf of bread.... a hellava lot faster then basidomycete mycellium can colonize a jar of WBS. If you want to be "in-tune with nature" then just hunt mushrooms in the wild otherwise you are going to have to learn sterile technique and stop being a lazy hippie.
