First Exprience with Psychedelics via 2C-e

Quick background on me, Caucasian male, senior in college [majoring in materials science], first experience with any drugs was weed back in my freshman year of college. I've always been rather wary of everything that wasn't weed, so I've stuck to that for the longest time.

Just to cover any bases that I might have left out, when I was younger I was diagnosed with ADHD (debatable, I would lose focus on things fairly easily if I was not interested in whatever it was, but I've just learned to, you know, care enough to focus on it since then) and I also have Auditory Processing Disorder. Not on meds for either, haven't been for nearly a decade now.
Not sure if any of that matters, but I figure that I should try to be thorough.

A while back one of my friends had told me good things about 2C-e, and I was wanting to be more adventurous for once and told him that he should make sure to have some on him the next time that I was home.

And, well, I'm writing this after 12 hours after dosing (~30mg mixed in cranberry juice, milked it for half an hour), and while overall it was nice, there are a few things that concerned me a little. Mostly I want to check to see if anyone else had this kind of experience, because I often have odd reactions with various medicines (to the point that it's on my medical chart >.>" ), and between my natural wariness towards synthetic chemicals and coming down from this, it has me slightly spooked.

First 4 hours of this were wonderful. I have a popcorn textured ceiling in the majority of my house, and that proved wonderful to look at, as it was fractaling very nicely. Not to mention the way that we had painted the walls all of those years ago, sky-blue with 'clouds', was a very nice addition to it.

One thing that was very nice with it was that I still felt like myself. Which was good, because it gave my friend and I time to catch up on the past three years.

The one thing that slightly concerned me, and my friend a little (he was just hoping that I wasn't dying, as that would be more than just a little awkward for him to of had to try to explain that to my parents the next day ;p ) was that... and bear with me, I'm not quite sure how to explain this:
When I had my eyes close I would go through... waves of an odd sensation/ experience of, and I'll try to explain this as best as I can, but there would be a thin, vertical, line of white that would have a white light pulsate downward along its length. The time it would take for the light to pulse down was always a few second, it seemed fast(but, as I realized an hour into this, I was not going to be able to judge time at all during this). And then once it would reach the bottom, it would vanish for a little while and then come back.

Every time that it pulsed down I would get this... I want to say jolt, but that implies that it was sudden and jarring. It was more like a mix of the kind of feeling you get when someone brushes against your neck and a spine tingling/ a little painful [I'm not normally one for pain, regardless of in which direction it is going and for what purpose], and I would visibly cringe along with the light as it moved down.

There were two things that bothered me with this:
1) The sensation felt very artificial. It felt like I was experiencing whatever chemical misfires that the 2C-e was causing. And, like I said, it was slightly painful, but (and I still don't quite believe this) it was pleasurable.
2) And this is the part that is currently bothering me. It was in one exact location regardless of what position I was in and what stimulae I was exposed to. And even now I can still feel twinges of pain along that part of my face that it would pulsate down across - Left eye, on the opposite side that the tear duct is on, and then the vertical length is from about half an inch above my eyebrow down to about my dimple.

Now I could understand something following that line if I had a scar there, or something that would of caused that specific of a stretch to of been active like that, but I haven't had an injury on my head ever. So I'm at a loss as to why it would of been in that specific of a spot and why I can still feel twinges from it.


So any thoughts about this would make me feel better and quell my inquisitioning mind. Feel free to ask whatever questions as well.



Edit:
Figured I continue with how the experience was.
I kept finding myself thinking that this was not enough. There were audio echoes and well as visual trails, in addition to the fractaling, but I found that it was not... as vibrant as I was expecting/ hoping it to be. And if not more vibrant than it was, at least experiencing what I was experiencing on a larger scale, having larger fractals dance across my sight and what not. It felt like I could of had more and had an amazing experience instead of a good experience.
My biggest complaint is that I still haven't been able to fall asleep, I've been wanting to go to bed for the past 4 hours and haven't been able to. Another slight concern is as to how long my eyes will be dilated.

One thing that has me laughing is the fact that I keep reading about how 2C-e can be a darker trip, is that I started the trip by watching Hellsing Ultimate. And I was probably enjoying it a tad much on retrospect, though that's not a bad thing.

 

I think I know what you mean about the sudden "jolt". I get that when I dose 2ce. I love it though. It feels like a slight electrical shock. When you get to the point that it no longer startles you, it's actually VERY pleasurable; at least, for me it is. The entire 2ce trip seems very electrical to me and, like you said, it's also very dark. I love the "electrical" feeling, as well as the darkness. 2ce is right up there with LSD and psilocybin, imo.

Did you take the time to listen to any music in a dark room while you were lying in a comfortable position? When you do that, the "electricity" slowly spreads throughout your body and feels insanely euphoric, like it is gently massaging every nerve in your body. I love that shit.

 

I ended up putting Apocalyptica on at one point. It's my standard music right now. I've found it great for studying, for smoking, and most recently enjoying the 2C-e. Plus its varied enough that it just doesn't get old, I think I've heard their albums six times in the past month.
And I had sprawled out on the carpet, with a nice neck pillow for my head.



And ya, I'm not sure if it's a good thing for me to want to explore my darker side. I've seen it, and, damn, it scared the shit out of me and my friend (well, exfriend after that) that it had been directed at. Only took that to happen once for me to learn how to exit that mind set as quickly as possible...

Went from being one of the most relaxed guys, who is just naturally ridiculously hard to annoy, that you would ever meet, to being completely sadistic, both mentally and physically. Thankfully (as bad as it is to say that for the event), I acted in that order, the physical harm thoughts were what made me step back and go "holy shit, what the fuck". But, damn, the mind fuck I gave that friend was scary. [Note: This happened before I even smoked MJ, or drank alcohol, let alone 2C-e... Not sure if that's a good or bad thing though... Also, it was 'partly' 'deserved' for that friend, they had managed to piss me off more than I thought was possible.]

But, regardless of all of that, it is still a part of me that I do enjoy somewhat normally, but keep on a very tight lease. Though there's a certain comfort in knowing that I've been able to glare down four half drunk rugby/lacrosse players who were fighting themselves and were about to drag me into it because neither of us were paying attention to their surroundings. (They bumped into me, I pushed back, and then they thought I wanted to fight them. :frown: ... *facepalm*)

And I must have been doing a great job of being myself because the last large drama that I was involved in not a single one of my friends could understand how I was still able to live with the two people that where involved, let alone continue to be (mostly) friends with them, even though they continued to cause problems.



But... Ya... That's the biggest reason why I'm trying to be very careful with what I try and haven't done that much >.>"

Fake Edit:
It's now been 12 hours since I finished the spiked cranberry juice and I can still feel that spot on the left side of my face...

 

hopefully you've slept by now and feel better.

30 mg is a pretty heft dose of 2ce IMO, especially for your first time ever tripping. it gives me a headache on the comedown, in the back of my head though.

 

I wouldn't read into the spot on your face too much, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. sometimes your face feels funny because you just took a good dose of 2c-e

also don't be afraid of your dark side. it is. being afraid of it just weakens your being. don't think for a second it is anything this universe hasn't already seen if you keep making it a major boogeyman in your head you're gonna wind up having a crazy trip where the focus is on that side of you. it is NATURAL. if you don't like it, cultivate your nurturing side, but don't pretend your killing side doesn't exist.

 

Are you turning into the next Manson here Writer?

Sounds like an emperor palpatine speech

 

my position is not one conducive to manson's views. He would kill people, i would say the urge to kill people is normal, don't be afraid of it, accept it, and move past it. just as you sometimes want to strike someone in an argument but don't, so you sometimes want to end a life but you don't. if you do, you reap what you sow.

 

actually he organized the killings. I've not read that he killed himself.

Cool trip op, body load can be a bit uncomfortable with 2ce.

 

Ya, I finally got to sleep, though it was at around 16 hours after I drank the stuff, which really sucked because I was really tired but was stuck being awake.
I'm going to add/re-write up the trip since I was able to get some sleep and now can focus with out the headache that I was having while I was coming down. The headache I was having was on the front right and on the left side, above my ear; it pretty much felt like a normal headache.

And ya, after I drank the stuff I had asked my friend just how much he gave me. I knew he wouldn't go overboard with it, and considering the effects, I think he had given me the right amount. Also I had a feeling that if I asked before hand I might have tried to either get him to not give me as much or not try it.

Are the effects from 2C-e dependent on body weight? I don't recall reading anything stating that it was or wasn't. And would a lower dose last for a shorter amount of time, or would hte effects just be less?

@Writer: Haha, ya, I know that there has been worse than that in the history of the world. The other good thing about it is that unless it is directed towards someone it's usually just mental musings. It doesn't scare me any more though, it just freaked me out that first time because it was just so completely out of the blue for me.

@guerillabedlam: The body load wasn't that bad. I've had much worse from weed. The nausea felt like I had eaten too much, which isn't that much of a distracting feeling, plus it makes me want to lie down which worked out fairly well.

 

Some good advice already offered here, but i'll add a few things. I get the same residual stimulation where i'm worn out from the trip but can't sleep and have tons of muscle tension and twitching. Your side effects are all normal, some people experience common things and others have more unique reactions but the fact remains that these are research chemicals and these effects haven't yet been established so we can only go on what we share with each other. 2c-e dehydrates me so bad no matter how much water i drink i always end up with a UTI and extremely dry ermm... female parts for a few days afterward. Sorry, TMI i know but was just giving an example. I don't know any other females who use 2c-e at least on a semi-regular basis so i have nothing else to compare to. I just have to accept that it's a weird reaction I have.

As far as feeling like it wasn't as big and bright as you'd hoped it would be... dude, it was only your first trip on anything other than weed and 30mg is a pretty hefty starter dose. That's a lot of sensory imput for your brain to process, I'd bet a lot of the trip just flew by you without even realizing it. It might sound weird but tripping takes practice. Each time you do it you learn new things and acquire new skills. It's also not uncommon for certain 2c's to feel like they are missing a little something. Wait til you try LSD...

 

This is one I have not tried yet. I was a little put off by the 'difficult' tag in PIHKaL back in 2000 when I ordered a little cache of things for my dotage (old age) from American Chemical Supply (one of the vendors that was closed in Operation Tryp). I did get some, along with plenty of t2, t7, t21, d, i, meo, and a few others, but only tried those I mentioned. Frankly, work and raising children aren't terribly conducive to comfortably carving out the time for that sort of exploration. Well, maybe a little meo once in a while.

That little time capsule to my future is history, thanks to an ill-behaved and unwelcome house guest who discovered the well-hidden goods in my absence while probably looking for something to steal. When I returned home mulling some way to get rid of him, I found him completely wigged out in my living room with some vials on the coffee table and the bag on a side table. I called 911 without hesitation, and they arrived in a couple of minutes. I informed them of what was out, what it was, and that he was in great danger because he is a complete idiot. One of the guys picked up the bag, looked at it, looked at me, then left. I never saw him or it again, and never heard anything; that was two years ago. A bummer, but my conscience is clear. I really had it hidden well, since I would not have wanted to be responsible for that being on the loose, but complete idiot-proofing is not possible. If only it were so in life in general... And the idiot lived, hopefully not to reproduce.