thanks spicey you've been such a big help the whole time i've been contemplating this extraction process...when I finally do get the money and ingredients, the first time I try DMT goes out to you
I am honored. If you get enough coherent material out of your first experience, please do post a trip report. That will be the best thanks of all.
alright well i texted my buddy whos into this kinda stuff and he said it would take a bit to do it but he also said he knows of an alternative extraction of fmt we can do. soo... i guess ill see wat he has in mind
Remember the KIS rule, especially with MHRB. I hate it when people try to make the process more complex than necessary. KIS = Keep It Simple. Good luck - keep us posted!
Yeah extraction is a piece of cake, I don't think I spent more than $150 for materials. You can find good deals on already powdered Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark on ebay.
the first true experiance with dmt, is relizing what it truly is, and how it effects your daily life, within yourself, and plants around you. Find the connection between you, dmt, and the earth. truly understand what it is. the second experience is to administer an amount to yourself in which will take you through a full blown experience. practice is usally required. its so funny that what your looking for you can find within yourself, in the world around you. its just you want someone to come put it in your lap, which is really silly. patience, timing, understanding. if you cant get it, then your not in the right spot, you need to relocate yourself into a better spot, and situation, in which you can get it. once you are in that spot, you truly deserve it.
Heh, if you wanna really speed up the process, make it much easier, & procure even higher quality product, setting one's self up with a good magnetic stirrer with hot plate & thermometer plus stirring Teflon coated stirring magnets, an aspirator, a vacuum pump with Buchner funnel, paper filters, & flask, borosilicate glass beakers & stirring rods (really, as much made of borosilicate glass as possible), HDPE carboys, Mohr pipettes & pump, droppers, litmus paper, a large, oblong Pyrex baking dish, a couple of fans, flint glass apothocary jars, various sizes of Mason jars, a gram scale & milligram scale, "00" gelatin capsules, a capsule filling machine, stainless steel chemist's tools, razor blades, a hot pad, a rubber spatula, a glass cup that measures teaspoons & tablespoons, a seperatory funnel with a Teflon stopcock, borosilicate funnels, and then of course your Jurema (MHRB) as a good source for N,N-DMT--not to mention Peruvian Torch or San Pedro cacti for mescaline hydrochloride, a couple gallons of naphtha, a couple pounds of food grade lye, plenty of distilled water, heptane--then for the mescaline hydrochloride, a quart of muriatic acid, xylene, & acetone, it can actually run you about four times a couple to a few hundreds dollars; however, the investment is worth it. All you need otherwise is a freezer, and believe me, roughly 300ish grams of Jurema can be processed within about three days, and a hefty bunch at that. Then, with your Peruvian Torch or San Pedro cacti, right around a week or less of the same volume. It really does work out much better to invest in quality scientific tools. For the Jurema, I've found that a few modifications to your STB method of extraction have helped, too (PM if interested in bouncing ideas off of one another). For mescalito, a vamped up Acid/Base tek works best; I'd imagine that the same would apply to iboga (which I'd love to one day procure ibogaine from, I just don't know what solvents would suit best for that, plus, iboga is terribly spendy). In spite of all of the above, you are indeed correct that impatience, lack of attendance to detail, and imprecision will yield crap regardless of what tools you use, though. But, with high tech gear, it seriously does save time once you learn how to properly use it all. I am so there with you on both points: Though one could fetch that kind of cash for all the hard work, I too would never, ever, ever sell such precious stuff; but I will share and share alike with my pals. Hey, when folks refer to "hyperspace", are they referring to the mathematical, theoretical eleventh dimension (one of neither time nor space), and, is that one of Terrence McKenna's posited theories on the topic that dimethyltryptamine opens the doors to? It seems like that's right, I just don't know. Also, another tangential curiousity, have you ever perceived the entities as semi-transparent, almost humanoid figures that move as fast as (or faster than) light, often doing bizarre acrobatics & appearing to move through solid objects, sometimes engulfing you, and often appearing from one place to another in less time than it takes to blink, or is that just me? Lol, I dunno, most often that's how the elves appear to me, they've also taken on symmetrical twins with clownish features, gnomes, and lastly as jellyfish or octopus-like beings with tentacles...again, I dunno if that's just me or what...this inquiring mind wants to know! :daisy:
Rather than responding point by point, I re-iterate. Keep It Simple. There is no need to procure all this fancy equipment, especially if you are not branching out from DMT (e.g. into Mescaline, where a sep funnel really is necessary). I find it somewhat disturbing and cannot parse the motivation for posts that make something that should be simple sound complex. What is the intention here? To make it more elite? To confuse people? The stated intention is to allow production to be easier, cleaner and faster. Who do you think you are dealing with here? This is the general, entheogen community, not year 3 of undergrad or year 2 of graduate school chemistry class here. You really want more people to be able to do it safely? And for them to make production easier, cleaner and faster, then make it as simple and as end-consumer accessible as possible, with lots of details and flexibility for modifications or questions.
Whatever you say, true, this isn't college, but, I'm no chemist myself, just someone who found a simpler, safer, faster way of doing it. Enough said. I know what I'm talking about, trust that. Oh, and I did so by elisting the usage of that "fancy" equipment that took all of a few weeks to figure out with no degree, add to that that I was trying to engage in a friendly conversation and exchange ideas, you get hostile and don't even acknowledge that I mentioned Peruvian Torch and iboga root, and it really seems like you just are acting childish for a 42 year old and insulting me.
How did I insult you? By asking your intentions? By suggesting elitism when you tell people to invest in a bucchner funnel (not at all necessary for a naptha/DMT solution) and a sepratory funnel (doesn't work for such a thick solution - especially since the layer I want is on top) and a bunch of other unnecessary, complex and expensive gear? Feel insulted/defensive if you want, I really have better things to care about. But, I am going to keep saying it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, no matter what you call me or how you rep me: HARM REDUCTION AND KEEP IT SIMPLE FTW!
Okay, please do hear me out; I have (or had) no beef with you, in point of fact, I've taken several cues from you and your method, modified them, and devised a tek of my own that works quite nicely. That said, I use a respirator that filters out all but O2 when working, a long rubber apron, long rubber gloves, even goggles (not to mention distilled white vinegar and baking soda for spills). You, you really don't know what you're talking about, unless of course you have tried my method (which you have not). My investment in the Buchner funnel, magnetic stirrer with hot plate & thermometer, et al. was ALL for safety's sake, as well as to get things down to a much more precise and accurate science. I spent two months researching on what would be necessary to make the SAFEST environment for procurement. For instance, the Buchner funnel & accompanying vacuum pump: These tools work FAR better at filtering than coffee filters and jars, and, again, more safely. I'm not a neophyte with a willy-nilly attitude, nor do I even remotely suggest anyone use anything less than the safest of precautions and measures while engaging in these things. I'd like to honestly bounce ideas off of you, I don't know all there is to know about organic chemistry, but I did enough homework to tell you straight up that this is not some elitist approach, just a more efficient one...choose to believe what you will, oh, & I don't imagine everyone and their dog will choose to make such investments as I have, but I did it all in the name of safety and efficiency (and as a bonus, it literally does speed up the process). Perhaps I'll gather my notes and write a tek to explain the process I've devised, though I'm not up to it yet as I do still have some tweaks to work out (hence the desire to chat with YOU, someone who's shown that she knows what she's doing too). Why did you PM me and state you feel justified in being rude? Why are you being so? Why did you not just talk to me as a fellow interested in the same as you? Why did you (and do you) continue to ignore that my interests did/do go beyond DMT? Why did you not so much as even acknowledge my querries about the entities? I'm not in the business of one-uping you, insulting you or your intelligence, outstaging you, and I'm certainly not better than you. Until now, I'd always thought of you as very interesting (well, even though I am insulted twice now, I still do...and I don't want to be feeling insulted, but you did attack me as if I was aiming at making a more complex procedure out of something simple). We are, whether you see it or not, on the same page in most regards; I've simply put, as stated before, found a safer, easier, & faster method to get the job done. So damned what if my investment was four times yours? That doesn't make me an elitist, just someone who's schooled himself on what will do the job best. As for the use of the separatory funnel, as mentioned, I modified your tek and use it at a point where the marc is no longer in the picture, and to great effect no less. I don't want to argue with you; do you really want to have a petty arguement with me? I doubt it. You are indeed the one getting defensive, I can't see why, but you are incorrect if you think I called you names. I said you were acting childish, yes, but I didn't resort to name-calling and won't. I'd like to be your online pal, if that's even possible, I don't want bad blood with you. I do know what I'm doing, and I've quite seriously made a great tek (yours) just a bit better IMHO. I'm certain you could care less, but jeez! Give me the benefit of the doubt. And for those of you reading this that would like to know how and why I carefully chose to go about things differently it's simple: Research has shown me that with the use of my tools, I have made--I'll say it again--a better, safer product (and not just DMT). Yes, keeping it simple is the best advice to give. So then, why something like the magnetic stirrer with hot plate? Well, when dissolving the food grade lye into the distilled water, and with the borosilicate glass beakers and such (which is by the way a kind of glass that is resistant to heat damage, as well as corrosive damage, hence SAFER!!!), I have devised a method to get the precise measurements, a means of making the lye solution within mere minutes with no contact to even so much as my gloves, and then when heating the naphtha (not 'naptha', read your bottles folks), I can get it to a temperature that is fully regulated, rather quickly I might add, and using the borosilicate funnel, not the separatory funnel but the funnel funnel, I reduce the spilling to a bare minimum. I could go on counting the ways in which I've adopted your STB method and made it SAFER, why can you not trust that? I only posted in the first place to show that by investing just a wee bit more on things like a Mohr pipette & fast release pump (in my case a few different sizes for getting every last drop of naphtha, or to be able to measure EXACTLY how much solution of this or that down to the milliliter) that there is a safer, quicker way. Choose as you all will, but I know these things make all the difference from personal experience. Cheaper is NOT better nor safer, it's just cheaper (for the long run, it pays off to invest big, I think...and hell, it makes it more fun to say, get the pH exact with litmus paper, I'm a nerd & enjoy the process of getting there from start to finish). Examples that reinforce my ideas are such things as: Milk jugs (which I believe are HDPE) don't have spigots like carboys do--thus, the carboys also reduce the risk of spilling nasty chemicals since you need not pour with them; using nothing but pickle jars eventually will break down the glass due to corrosion and/or heat related stress; turkey basters have no units of measurement and are often plastic which isn't made to withstand corrosive chemicals or solvents. The list goes on: Every innovation I've used was done so EXACTLY for the purpose of safely and efficiently getting things as accurate as humanly possible with the least amount of wasted precursors and so on down the line. I was thinking big picture when devising my method long before starting into it and visualized all that could go wrong and decided the investment worth it if I were to want to tinker (as I obviously did), and in the long run no less--another of my goals, having tools I'd need not have reason to replace at any given point, save (likely) the mason jars, being one of the most minor investments and as such expendable. I aimed also to reduce expense in the long run. Can we please have a civil dialogue about this if this conversation is to go on? Who knows, perhaps we can learn from each other and make a merrier world for those with similar passions to ours. I am not your enemy. If I do get around to writing a tek, which I likely will, maybe then you won't laugh me off as an elitist. I hope so, that was not my intention. I shit you not, I am on your side, and sorry about the rep thing, but you were rude. I hope we can get past this and just freakin' move on. Spicey Cat, I'll reiterate my final points just to end this debate (or hopefully end this debate), safety first IS my motto, but so too are efficiency, accuracy, and saving time. Money, after all, is just money. Investing big to start my endeavors was all in the name of those goals and it has paid off in kind. I wish you no ill will & would hope that anyone reading this can both see that, and see that I'm just trying to make better an already excellent tek, and so far, so good. In fact, I will likely make a tek pertaining to mescaline hydrochloride and if I can figure out which solvents to use on iboga root, one to detail how to procure ibogaine. Please, Spicey, don't make more of this than it is. I've respected you since I first joined this community, and would (as said before) like to be friends, not two people at odds with each other over absolute nonsense. My ideas culminated from my research have truly, truly created a much better way of going about the process of procurement of DMT from Jurema and mescaline hydrochloride from Peruvian Torch cactus. Peace? That'd be nice
5-MeO-DMT is the only psychedelic I've been comfortable doing the last few years, due to constraints on time and mind. It is about the cleanest, friendliest psychedelic I've ever done. And very short-lived, which some others see as a mixed blessing; that's why I used to go there now and again when it was unscheduled and I had a supply. I only smoked it, usually 6-15 mg. I ordered up some P. viridis and B. caapi (sic?) to whomp up some Ayuhausca about, oh, 18 years ago. There was a half ounce of leaves and a couple ounces of vine. It had been sitting on a shelf for a few years when I decided to give it a go. There was no Web and I wasn't able to get accurate info easily on how much potency may have been lost in storage, what a proper dose would be, etc. So I just brewed it up and drank as much as I could without getting sick. I was sitting in the living room, looking out at the garden and redwood trees, watching the breeze blowing the leaves on a beautiful fall afternoon. My wife asked how it was going and I said I felt a small alert, and that the swirls of the trees were beginning to sweep a bit more grandly. Right then I was swept away and was not in the room. Instead I was in a dark space with lots of colorful geodesic objects about. I told my wife (could not see her) that she should lead/herd me upstairs before our son and his au pair came back from their walk. We made it, and I went in and hurled, then went back to the bed and assumed a fetal position, rocking and writhing for another hour or two of clock time. Weird scenes, not 'bad,' but not 'shiny,' either. I just rode it out. I believe I took a bit too much, not having accurate info and no experience. That did put me off DMT to this day. Perhaps I'll have the chance to do a vapor taste test with N,N-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT sometime on another planet. It would be interesting to explore the differences that others have described.
I found this interesting, some current theory is that moving faster then the speed of light is impossible, and that the theoretical perception of moving faster then the speed of is actually just an enclosed occasion of time slowing down. However, in a dimension void of time and space (still theoretical), would that change? I think so, if the dimension is void of time and space, then there would be 1) no space for these figures to move through, and 2) there would be no time to perceive the movement in. 2 assumes that 1 is possible, and somehow some kind of entity can move through non-space.
