Creationist's case for the existence of god[video]

Woah this guy is good especially on the commercial front :devil:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...ofyEYGiqQPHkNHbBA&q=scientist+lectures&hl=en#

Never the less this sorta logic seems like a powerful tool for the crusade against evolution. Now am a bit of a dumb ass so I find my self disagreeing with him in skeptical manner but I have no solid ground for this which I dislike so maybe this forum can help shine some light... maybe u can point out some fallacies in the talk like the dime thing surely that is pulled out of god's ass?


Or some thoughts on the blind spots of science...

 

sounds like god barfed it up himself

 

Well yeah i feel the same way but u see I do not understand my own thinking. Ok so I don't believe in god why because i let my world view be shaped by science which deals with testable evidence and it makes sense seens I am in a physical body and the only knowledge that is practical in every day life for me is testable repetitive information. Now this information or speculations about these gaps in our world that lead to the existence of a creator and then to the nature of god that religions offer do not make navigation of my life any easier I think.... I mean the christian philosophical frame work of the ethical code to conduct in life could be put to good use after all it is a brain child of the collective consciousness of humans beings (am one of these) yet it comes with this surrender of one's identity if a were to except gods existence I would have to come to terms that I am not of my own making but of god's. And this god is of other human beings thoughts these ppl seen the world and now there's thoughts are project on to mine if I were to follow and believe that christianity represent the fundamental understanding of reality they would control me and mold me in to one of them in another words in to some one ells then my self in turn becoming my god my creator of the new me.


Now I categorically refuse this deal I am sure I can make my own mind up about the nature of reality including gaps that I have not experienced my self? So why do I believe in say theoretical physics like string theory well I mean I have not yet made my mind up about strings but most scientifically thinking ppl praise it as the best possible fundamental description of reality... this is why I find my self with no solid ground for my skepticism sciences has theory's religion has theory's don't get me wrong I am not having a spiritual awakening to christianity am just starting to doubt well namely cosmology...

 

The issue I find with this guy is the following:

His main arguments are that "if this wasn't EXACTLY the way it is, life couldn't exist." He used the example of the dime: if that much mass was added to the universe, life couldn't exist... that's convenient. However, there is a theory to combat this: what if this isn't the only universe? What if there are infinite amount of universes, each with it's own laws, many with the same laws, and where we are just happens to be the place where life could exist: and so it does. It doesn't show that there is a God, it shows that this place just happened to have such qualities, and given the size of the universe and the possibility of others, there are many chances for such qualities to arise somewhere.

That being said, the real question (for me) about spirituality is that it answers the question: why does life exist at all?

EDIT: I'm still not completely finished yet, but some of his facts are wrong as well. For instance, he used the example of the rock, how a rock the size of ones fist only lands of earth once in 10^16 years. That's bullshit. I am not sure what else is wrong, but that certainly is. (I'm being quite critical, but he does have some interesting points)

 

http://www.reasons.org/philosophyreligion/argument-reason/infinity-universes

This is from their website...

I heard the argument from a physicist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo"]YouTube - 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009) who is atheist and has a few arguments for why a God can't exist. He says that something can come from nothing: it's nature, not God. But what created nature?

I think I definitely need to read the Bible... This is some crazy shit.

 

Thanks that even things out a bit but still for eg how did we in the past came to a conclusion that the sun revolves around the earth, well it just looked that way to be. Well how would it looked if it were the other way around.


We base these conclusions on probabilities nothing is impossible we figure only improbable how ever the most likely answers are the right ones hopefully that is, yet following this logic we cannot rule out god dogmatically as of right now and most likely never will even if something substantial would come up nether side I think would subside and except defeat so how can we be sure of anything when it is in our nature to see the world in the most agreeable way to our preexisting and in some ways predetermined way of thinking.

 

Is the big bang a theory or fact? You can not use any scientific THEORY to conject any PROOF. This is a very common fallacy among creationist arguments. Then he goes on and embelishes that we KNOW so much from multiple theorems that we've proven a great miracle of creation. Nothing like filling all your gaps with God spackle I guess. 10 minutes into it and somehow he's molded his spackle into PROOF of the supernatural! Well there you go, PROOF, why bother watch the rest.

 

Yes true I don't like this sorta idea of absolute knowledge be it religious kind or atheistic.


Now a rational mind proportions its believes to the evidence available, say u see two men one can jump like 5m up and the other can hover in mid air. A rational mind will always believe in the lesser miracle of the two this judgment is based on passed experiences together with the known laws of the world.


Ok so I do not think there is a god that is actively involved in this world but this is not the problem. What bothers me is from the scientific perspective at the beginning there were no laws or at least as we know them there were non. So I for 1 cannot distinguish the lesser miracle from the two a universe popping in to existence that developed in to such a shell we say precisioned machine between god popping in to existence becoming a precisioned machine and then creating this universe. To find the beginnings of something in absolute nothingness no matter what it may be is equally impossible...of course seens we are all here equally probable?

 

He lost me on the first 3 words. Those don't work together.

 

Creation is pseudoscience!

 

every possible set of initial conditions manifests itself in a myriad of different universes. We exist, therefore we can conclude that we live in a certain range of these sets. the universe is expanding, which seems to indicate an initial force flinging things apart, hence the idea of the big bang. if an intelligence not of this world created us, what created it? the only non-recursive, and thus admissible, explanation of our origins is in the chaotic interactions of organic chemicals on a volcanic earth.