Why is methamphetamine demonized so much?

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  1. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    My time spent with amphetamine like compounds had been very ugly, so I kind of automatically fell into the view of seeing it as very demonic and evil.

    But I've encountered a number of ex-meth addicts and after having talked to them a bit it makes me question the media portrayal of meth. Is it really that bad? Is a meth addict worse than an alcoholic? Or a heroin addict? What does the radical demonization of this substance stem from?
     
  2. deleted

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    Media Illusions.. Meth is bad though. Eats some people up. Smoking crack is just as bad.. but Crack cocaine is not nearly as addictive as METH... The crackheads just think they need it.. Its out of boredom, and the same habits affilitaed with tobacco follow the crack-and meth rules. Nicotine being way more addictive than all the substances above..
     
  3. Meliai

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    meth rots your body from the inside out. The media certainly blows things out of proportion, but i dont think they're very far off base with meth. I've seen beautiful girls become skeletal figures with sores all over their face because of meth...also gotta love the 30 year olds who look like they're 60 from it. Its not good, at all.
     
  4. Spicey Cat

    Spicey Cat DMT Witch (says husband)

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    Excessive meth use leads to psychotic thinking and behaviors. I don't know if it's the meth or the accumulated sleep deprivation. This is what I hate the most about tweakers.
     
  5. etkearne

    etkearne Resident Pharmacologist

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    I am an "avid" amphetamine user. Every day. But, it is very different than doing methamphetamine. The following is an American aspect on the problem. I am aware that overseas, street amphetamines are a dirty nasty thing.
    1. Amphetamines (Dexedrine and Adderall pills) are usually just eaten, or at worst snorted. Thus the chemicals take minutes not seconds to flood the brain.
    2. Meth is smoked, snorted, and IVed. Smoking and IVing drugs sends the drug to the brain in seconds.
    3. Methamphetamine really is more neurotoxic than amphetamine.
    4. It is inherent in a dopamine releasing agent that at high doses, psychosis occurs. It is the same mechanism as in schizophrenia actually. It is overabundance of dopamine in the mesocortic pathway in the brain. Amphetamine users generally stop popping pills when they feel sketchy. If one inhalation of smoked meth is as strong as 5 Adderall, you will just plain go over the edge.

    Given the chance, I would try methamphetamine. But only in pharmaceutical grade Desoxyn. And, I would eat or snort it.
     
  6. guerillabedlam

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    Crystal meth was not even that great of a 'high' compared to most other illicit drugs I've tried. It does make you very focused and dilligent if work has to be done, it truly is the ultimate industrial/producer American drug.

    If this interests you because you want to try a methamphetamine I recommend Ecstasy for recreation or therapeutic value. Crystal meth is just too direct to the dopamine reward system to really be anything but bad news.
     
  7. etkearne

    etkearne Resident Pharmacologist

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    Yeah. I rarely could see someone chilling out on meth! I could see it for oral amphetamines, like if you are actively doing something passive, like math research or music ( my personal FAvs).
     
  8. deleted

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    sometimes its the impurities that get the junkie off.. i know that may not make any sense but: you guys dont consume jenkem and yet there are reports of people getting intoxicated on it. this is because their body chemistry is breaking down a poison and Identifying it as an intoxicant..
    Much like Meth impurities. Tumors are living organisms also, it would just make some sense the boils and scabs are looking for a substance to get more building blocks from..
    meth tumor are symbiant, the human the host, the chemicals the symbiant seeks, making the entire organism a parasite..
     
  9. Lostthoughts

    Lostthoughts Thostloughts

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    Ive seen the real life version of those `faces of meth` posters.. so I tend to believe it.
     
  10. MovedOn

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    Do you have the research or articles where you get this from? This is something that I've wondered about alot, is adderall really safer than methamphetamine that is equally clean, and equally as pure?

    From people I've talked to in the past on this subject, and from what I've read in research for myself, it created the impression that methamphetamine is one of the less toxic amphetamines when fully pure. Mg for Mg methamphetamine is similiar in toxicity to other amphetamines from what I've read in the past. But people have told me that the subjectively felt stimulation of methamphetamine is greater per mg when compared to other amphetamines, so you actually have to take less methamphetamine to get the same sensation of stimulation as compared to if you were taking dexedrine or other. So, in the case of using methamphetamine to reach a certain level of stimulation and stay there, you'd be introducing less toxicity to your system if you were using meth.

    I do not know if this is true, just what I've read in the past.
     
  11. guerillabedlam

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    All I know my solitary meth night I may have consumed less than an amphetamine to get an initial high but I was hitting that shit all night long.
     
  12. jia

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    There are studies about the relative toxicity, both acute and chronic, between stimulants. I read one in hardcopy in the school library published a couple decades back that did cocaine, amphetamine and meth and the conclusion was that of the three meth was far more toxic, both acutely and chronically. I dont have a link though, dont even remember who wrote it or what journal it was snipped out of.
     
  13. neodude1212

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    Because it destroys people and is incredible unhealthy.
     
  14. Nyxx

    Nyxx HELLO STALKER

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    I deal with tweekers on a daily basis at my job. If my only example of meth addiction was my impersonal interactions with these folks I would never do meth. I have tried allot of drugs but would never do meth. I have to look at people's ID's and I can see how they have aged 15 years in 1 year. They are usually covered in scabs, dirty, would steal from their own Mama.
    Yeah I like to alter my perception/reality, but I also like my teeth, my clear skin, and my fat ass.
    Tweekers fucking suck.
     
  15. geckopelli

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    Using meth is borrowing energy from your future.
    Physical energy, Emotional energy, Metal energy, Creative energy, Perceptual energy, Charismatic energy.
    My sisters been a functioning, job holding meth head for 25 years. But that's all that's left in her life--- meth and work.
    I doubt there is any line she won't cross to score.
     
  16. Amyoxl

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    Meth dessicates the human body, destroying teeth and gums and skin. Ever compared a meth addicts appearance to a picture of him or her taken 5 years before the addiction?
     
  17. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    This is only sort of correct.
    These things can easily be avoided as they are signs of vitamin and mineral defecencies and frequent dehydration. Often, meth heads display signs of Scurvy, Beri-Beri, and hypoglycemia.
    Frequent long Hot showers, EATING solid food, artificial tears, and vitamins with minerals will keep the obvious physical affects at bay.

    But there are easier ways to turn into an asshole than speed abuse.
     
  18. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Had a girl who I thought I loved when I was much younger. I disapeared for a while and maintained a long distance relationship with her for a while. We were both into psychedelics and recreational drug use. But when I returned for a week long visit, she was a different person entirely. I couldn't put my finger on it. She was very nasty and short tempered and I saw the way she'd manipulate people. I finally put it together after some of my money and drugs and cell phone went missing and, one week later after this mess, listened to my voice mail; all the calls were addressed to her! All of them were discussions about meth. (meth dealers are fucking stupid talking about meth on recorded phone messages).

    Lost all trust in women after that. I regained my trust later when I met the most beautiful woman I ever seen and I gave my heart too her. She broke it shortly after.
     
  19. Magical mystery tourguide

    Magical mystery tourguide Senior Member

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    I only use meth the same frequency I roll on MDMA - at LEAST a week break in between tweaks at the most, more like twice a month. WHenever the thought comes in my head "oh just a little bit couldn't hurt right now" I'll just subsitute that urge with a desoxypipradrol tweak.

    If you are able to keep it limited to this frequency, then tbh it feels much less shitty than adderall if you only dose once. People always complain of meth's comedown, but it really ain't bad at all if your not an idiot and don't redose.

    It can take away your life when you let your vigilance down and let your use progress exponentially in frequency.
     
  20. skyblupink

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    agreed.
     

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