Help me raise hell over this scandal brewing in Washington DC and Houston Texas

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Here we go again. I have been writing these postings all day. I am not supposed to post the same piece twice so I am writing a new one for every forum that is relevant to this topic. I guess it is good for me though and might be more effective to do it this way anyway. I am trying to raise awareness about a corrupt process brewing in Washington that is going to blow soon while it should have gone many years ago. It has to do with the Clean Air Act of 1990 as the environmental community was flimflammed into pressuring the Bush administration to promote an additive to gasoline called MTBE that he and the oil industry knew would poison groundwater throughout the nation and would worsen air quality. The negotiations between Bush, environmentalists and big American industries, that gave the appearance of better air quality, lead to partnerships between left and right wing lobbying groups that resulted in environmentalist organization allowing their boards of directors offices being overrun by the polluters of our nation and earth through large contributions. This was allowed to happen under the auspices that air quality would become so much better through the implementing of the new policies passed in the Clean Air Act. The truth about what was going on is that putting MTBE in gasoline supplies of the most polluted regions of the country would cause the pollution in that area to rise into the upper atmosphere and be carried away by storm movements and jet streams. This would give the appearance that the pollution problem had been solved because the pollution was being carried up above where air quality tests were being conducted. This poisonous gas would later fall back to earth in rural areas or the Atlantic ocean in rain. Insiders in the industry knew this evil little secret so they failed to implement any of the upgrades that were required in the Clean Air Act on their industrial emissions sources. They knew that the appearance would be given that these upgrades had been done, in fact they allowed their industries to sink into a worsened state of affairs with regard to toxic pollutants. MTBE itself is a horrible pollutant and carcinogen. It is made up of ether and methane. The way it works is that MTBE does not burn well in automobile engines, contrary to the disinformation put out by its supporters. Methane is what is used to fly a hot air balloon. The flame from a natural gas torch on a hot air balloon purposely burns the methane inefficiently because it is the unburned/hot methane, reacting with water vapors in the environment, that causes the gasses to make the balloon rise. This is the same process that takes place when MTBE is mixed with gasoline while it creates a ballooning effect where rush hour traffic emissions cause all the smog in any region where is used heavily to rise up above that community where it floats away. MTBE has also polluted much of the groundwater in the country through leaking from underground storage tanks. The pretense in Washington is that this is the only negative effect of using MTBE while they have tried and failed miserably to pass an energy bill that has an allowance for the oil industry to never be held accountable for what they have done and are continuing to try to do. MTBE makes people sick through breathing it and drinking it while it has never been tested for its effects on human health. There is no information for physicians to relate to when confronted by people showing symptoms caused by its use so they misdiagnoses trillions of dollars worth of illnesses every year. Now the pharmaceutical companies are aiding quietly in lobbying to replace MTBE with ethanol as a shell game shuffle to pretend that they got rid of MTBE to protect us from it harmful effects, while ethanol is almost as bad for human health and the environment. It also carries pollution into the upper atmosphere but it dumps it just outside the community that is using it while MTBE carries it hundreds even thousands of miles away. They need to keep poisoning our air and still don't want to clean up their industrial plants because what they are doing makes people sick and sick people buy drugs and need medical treatment. They think that making people sick is healthy for the economy. Human beings equal money. Human effort is money. Money is just a tool for moving things around that human beings produce. These bastards have deluded themselves greatly in their assessments of how to maintain a liquid economy. Then there is an additive called Polyisobutylene (PIB) that gives 20% more miles traveled to a gallon of gasoline while it eliminates 70% of harmful exhaust emissions. This additive has been around since the beginning of the debate of the Clean Air Act of 1990, in fact its positive qualities was used to lure people to think that MTBE was as good as it is. MTBE was chosen over PIB while the scientific community objected strenuously to using MTBE and supported PIB. Now no one wants you to know about any of this because they are all pressed to the wall over these issues. Then there is the Kyoto Protocol which enforces environmental regulations controlling carbon dioxide emissions. Methane as a greenhouse gas is 25 worse than carbon dioxide and their is huge amounts of data that show that controlling methane and other aerosol emissions that are produced by industries will stop the pattern of global warming we have been witnessing ever since MTBE started to be used. Methane should be the focus of the Kyoto Protocol but that would lead to greater discussions about MTBE and come back to haunt the oil industry and the worlds banks who have supported these projects all along. Billions of dollars in damage has been done to our nation in groundwater pollution from MTBE leaking into underground aquifers, but trillions of dollars of damage has been done to the earth with the manner in which MTBE contributed to global warming and weather pattern changes. No one in Washington wants the public to ever be educated on these issues because they don't want to take responsibility for what they have done meanwhile, they are ruining our future and planet further by failing to address these issues responsibly because it would lead back to the truth. There are not enough options to solve these kinds of problems by failing to implement a particular policy because it would lead to a sensitive issue. These concerns are too important and need to be done the right way no matter if people are held accountable who would say that they never would have done what they did if they thought they would have to answer for it. These issues need to be broadcast to the public over and over until it is general knowledge because it is too complicated to get all in one reading or media blip. My website at Angelfire.com/art2/fontaine has more information on these topics. Visit it and report these issues to others Any dialogue on this story is helpful in putting pressure where it needs to be to get some movement in the direction of some kind of balance to what our leaders have laid at our feet.

 

The burners used on hot air balloons is run on PROPANE,not methane.Hot air balloons raise because of the heated air,not mtbe.I am all for air quality control,but this doesn't sound right.Can you site your references? Methane is a natural by product of manure for example,also extracted from coal I believe.Ethanol is produced from corn.

 

Hot air balloons can use many different sources of fuel. I thank you for advising me that the popular American modern fuel is Propane. I assure you that MTBE by itself could float a hot air balloon and it is likely that hooking a tailpipe from a car burning MTBE at 15% would likely cause a bouyant reaction in a balloon. The point of the article has nothing to do with balloons that human beings ride in. I was using the story as an example to illustrate a point that is hard to make otherwise. I was trying to illustrate that too much hot manmade methane emissions can lead to a methane ballooning type effect, or greenhouse effect, that appears to be a symptom of global warming. MTBE use in automobiles is very similar to the torch on a hot air balloon whether it is using Propane or methane; both cause unburned hot fuel to react with water vapors which causes those vapors to rise to a higher altitude than they normally would. Millions of cars driving around pumping out huge amounts of unburned petroleum aresols and methane has caused a lot of damage to our environment and the issue needs to be addressed in a public forum in mainstream America.

 

Your science is so screwed up it "isn't even wrong", as they say.

MTBE (C5H12O) is a relatively heavy organic molecule (molecular weight 88.15) that is MUCH heavier than air. It is a liquid at STP. Are you REALLY suggesting that MTBE floats out of a bottle when opened? Any lift seen in a balloon inflated off a tailpipe is due to the fact that the exhaust is HOT, not that MTBE is lighter than air!

Get your science correct or nobody is going to take your stuff seriously!

 

My friend had this to say;
Waz up Ell, Hay Dood, Yu got it aw wrong bout my boy, Yu no wat Im saying. Hay look here man my boy over here know what he is talkin about. He been doin this a long time. Mtbe is liqiud methane and ether dood. What you mean its heavier than air ? What planet was you born on man ? This stuff is gas man. It is poison. Me and my peeps been gettin sick from this shit for years until my boy come along and set this thing straight. They try to put this ethanol shit in the gas now. You know anything about ethanol in gas? You know what acece wait, acetaldehyde is? It is what alocohol turns into in your blood. Its wat gets you drunk man. Thats what comes out of exhaust when ethanol is mixed in with gas. There studt show that breathing it leads to alcoholism. Now you Hippy Freaks might live out in the country but down here in my hood, that shit is everywere day an night. So my boy here he don’t use his name in here come along and shows us at voteordie how to push these bush bastards around. So now the shit has been took out the gas but there aint a word about it in the news. Thats why gas prices are cheaper. You people who supporet this mtbe ethanol poison down in my familys blok thinks we is stupid down here but we gettin smarter every day. My boy here AnjolinArcher that Arch Angel to you he is one white boy that know what he talkin about and he care about people, even yu. I think he is right about what he says that enviromentalist know what the truth is and use the pollution to give them a coatail to ride. You is standin on my coats tail. You is standin on all my peoeples lives if you are that way. Oh yeah, he says tell you that he helped me write this but it is still what I mena. He is write. You are going to be sorry. He comes here to give yu a chance to fix what your people did. He will win and he will tell the world his story. You jhave not heard hardly any of it. Now he will say that he trtied to get you to help but you can’t see what, the forest, no the field for the trees, or something anyway, I think people that lie for a living on this issue are trying to kill off the black people. We smarter than that now and we don’t riot no more either. We are going to take it all and do it right. My boy teach us that. You had your chance in the 60s and 70s. Now it is our turn.

 

No, it isnt. MTBE is a specific chemical compound, NOT a mixture of methane and ether. It is usually manufactured from methanol (wood alcohol) and isobutylene.

Just that. A given volume of MTBE has a greater mass than the same volume of air. Did you even take grade school science?

As I stated before, at STP, MTBE is a clear liquid. Don't take my word for it, check the MSDS at:

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/b7222.htm

Holy shit, you got something right! So are all the other things that go into gasoline, so please don't drink any....

No, ETHANOL is what gets you drunk. Acetaldehyde (the metabolite of ethanol) is what gives you a HANGOVER.

Not unless there is a human liver somewhere between the gas tank and the tailpipe. Combustion of ethanol produces CO2 and water vapor....

Would you mind producing a link to this "studt"? Where was it published?

And where the fuck did I EVER say that I supported the use of MTBE? FWIW, I don't, and there are plenty of SOUND scientific reasons not to (groundwater pollution being the main one). But all your crap about hot air balloons and alcoholism is just that--CRAP, and it will cause your message to be disregarded by anybody with any knowledge of the underlying science involved.

Let me guess---anyone who points out your errors (and obnoxious attitude) must be part of the petrochemical industry? Grow the fuck up!

BTW, the stereotypical "ghettospeak" crap REALLY helps your image as a progressive community activist....

 

What can I tell you? You should learn to be a little less aggressive when you jump to relay obvious dumb conclusions. Do you really think that someone would go on and on about something the way I do with these topics and have it so backwards as you think. I have always noticed that when people suffer from the social disorder that you appear to suffer from, that they are usually telling others what they think of themselves. You might adjust your direction and get some help. I mean that. You are obviously passionate about something and I am sure if you learn to focus, you can achieve something in your life that would make you feel less vulnerable

http://www.cecarf.org/Programs/Fuels/Fuelfacts/Alternativefuels.html
ALTERNATIVE FUELS AND FUEL ADDITIVES

Methanol
Q: What is methanol?
A: Methanol is a fuel alcohol with a similar chemical and physical makeup to ethanol. Chemically, it is methane with a hydroxyl radical (OH) replacing one hydrogen molecule. Methanol is used as a fuel additive for gasoline in the form of methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE), an oxygenate that reduces ground-level ozone emissions. Methanol is also used in a variety of industrial processes, both as a fuel and as a chemical catalyst.
Q: How is methanol produced?
A: Methanol is primarily produced from natural gas, although it can be produced from other non-petroleum sources such as coal and biomass (albeit at a higher cost). Researchers are currently focusing on how to lower the cost of methanol production from these renewable alternative sources. Specifically, methanol is produced by steam reforming natural gas to create a synthesis gas (syngas), which is a combination of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2). This gas is then reacted with a catalyst to produce methanol and water vapor. Because the same syngas is used in ammonia production, methanol-producing facilities are often attached to ammonia plants.
Q: What are pros and

 

And what "relay" dumb conclusion did I jump to? The one that your post was worth responding to?

Sure. People do it all the time. Lots of confused, ill-informed people ramble on at great lengths about obscure subjects while saying nothing at all....

So you've moved on from wannabe environmental chemist to wannabe psychiatrist? You show as little promise in your new endeavor as you did in the old one, I'm afraid...

So what exactly in your cut-n-paste contradicts ANYTHING I said? The highlighted sentence is very poorly worded, from a scientific viewpoint. MTBE is MTBE. It is NOT methanol. It is not a "form of" methanol. It is a chemical MADE FROM methanol, but it does NOT "contain" methanol. Similarly, methanol is methanol. It can be MADE FROM methane, but it does NOT "contain" methane.

Once chemicals enter into a reaction, they CEASE TO BE WHAT THEY WERE, and become NEW COMPOUNDS. MTBE (C5H12O) is NOT methanol (CH3OH), nor is it methane (CH4)

Now do you care to address any of the OTHER garbage science you posted, or are you gonna spout some more bargain-basement Freud at me?

 

This response is for EllisDTripp/ MidnightMoonlight/ jivre as a reply to their angry responses to-"Hippies killing Mother"',"Renewable fuels a bad plan - more fossil fuels is the solution" which was a resonse to jivre from another article I posted in this Forum titled "Methane is 25 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide" on 11 30 04

I address this response to all three of you because you have all taken on the responsibility of discrediting my campaign against you. You are correct in part of how you are engaging me. I am not an agent for the pro CO2 lobby. I am also not an idiot. In fact all my facts have been thoroughly researched by a major publisher and are substantiated by the scientific community. Many scientists who have access to my work are still supporting the CO2 agenda of the UN because my work is part of a classified international investigation into the world banking system. I came here because I had earlier wanted to publish my opinions that the left wing radical activist community’s leadership was truly in league with the one world government industrialist in a conspiracy to rid the world of a large percent of its burgeoning populations where they sought to build a more utopian society that they look forward to as a paradise reward for their sacrifice of fighting this horribly ugly clandestine war, which goes against the core of their principle values. That is you guys, the soldiers of the New World Order. I wanted to originally write about how guys, or gals, like yourselves give the impression that you are fighting against something in order to solve a problem where you engage in a clandestine lifestyle supported by donations from left wing organizations and groupie followers, while what you are really doing is inserting yourself in the path of the solution process so that no resolution can ever take place. I see it at world bank meetings and WTO meetings all the time. You go there and raise all kinds of hell to give the pretense that you want change but all that happens is that the public winds up hearing about your violent and arrogant actions. The truth about what happens in the meetings stays hidden from the public, just like the organizers of the meetings want, because the media is focused on you and the fear you provoke. The people who go to protest the content of the meetings are never heard because the radical left is making a whole lot of noise that no one ever hears what the hell any of it is about. The public winds up supporting the bastards that are fucking up the planet and life for everyone on it because they see you guys as the bad guys. I watch those protest, which are really more like riots, and I see young white upper middle class to rich supposed radicals, but when I think it through a little further, I find that you are actually the children of the people who are engaging the world in the manner you are supposed to be fighting against. So I figured I had a right to write about it but my publisher said no because I have no evidence, only a theory. They say it would take away from the credibility of my other work if I start publishing political opinions. I am an investigator so my work has to rely on evidence where the reader forms the opinion. What I do is try to make what I see crystal clear to my readers by engaging the objects of my theories and gathering supporting stories that build a relationship with what I think is really going on. When I have enough to make a case, I publish it. So I says to my agent how can I change the current situation so that I have some credibility in the area where I can portray the radical left for the evil bunch of hate monger Nazi’s that they are. We worked on it a while and came up with this as part of our plan. You see you three have engaged me in a counterintelligence campaign to try to discredit me in this forum. I really like the way you drag your responses way down the page to make it seem so long that no one follows it to my answer so it looks like I have been discredited because they likely will not go down and read my rebuttal. Things like that show that you are engaging me in a coordinated manner and you are establishing a pattern that fits the profile of a left wing socialist activist. But more importantly, you have failed to engage me about the good additive, polyisobutylene. That is what I was looking for. Defending MTBE is on the one hand a sign that I am correct that your leadership actively defends its use and the true nature of its qualities, but that would not give me the evidence I need. You failing to engage the topic of Polyisobutylene does. You are trying to discredit me not because I speak out against MTBE but because I support PIB. You are trying to build a defense in this forum from your impressionable following that I am an idiot to take the focus of the obvious direction of the content of my postings, which is PIB. What I documented for my agent, and is sealed with his attorney holding a notarized copy of my plan of operations, which included an outlay of coming into left wing forums where I would give the heart of my story out like free candy with facts that are still classified intelligence. I proposed that would get the response that I got rather than having this information responded to positively and aggressively, and taken and used to either benefit the supposed cause of the liberal left, or to be used for financial gain by any of you. That demonstrates that you have an agenda that is bigger than this issue. Something that holds together your community in an agenda of solidarity that is against the environment and benefit of humanity, and also must have an incentive behind your motives that is greater than what you could do with a story like this in a wide open political forum where this information could be used to create personal wealth and fulfill your supposed agenda without a conflict of interest that would go against your supposed principles. This is not the end of building evidence I need to support this profile I want to publish about the liberal left but it is enough for the time I have spent in this forum. Thanks a lot guys. You were a big help. I would have been wasting my time if you hadn’t come along. Look for my book, you might have some posting in it. Thanks again.

 

OK, I'm convinced.

You are just plain fucking NUTS. Good luck with that.

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