Response to Jivre-"Hippies killing Mother"

Reply to jivre on my article in the forum entitled "Renewable fuels a bad plan - more fossil fuels is the solution" which was a resonse to jivre from another article I posted in this Forum titled "Methane is 25 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide" on 11 30 04

"Stop lying to yourselves and to me"


I really appreciate your response. You have taught me many things I didn’t know. However I have to disagree with your stand against using petroleum products but I want to say that by my saying I support the use if oil products and natural gas, I categorically despise the industries that manage those kinds of operations now. My belief is that rather than shun the use of technology, people like you and I should ban together and educate ourselves on how to go about taking over these industries and running them responsibly. This would allow us to shut down whatever operations under our control that cannot be managed in a way that leads to destroying life and our precious earth. Walking away and taking a spiritual stand against an enemy of mother like these quack masters of our world is a death sentence for us and her. We need to rise up and do battle with our enemies but raising hell, protesting, doing drugs, listening to music, having open sex and believing in something outside of this material world that will provide some sick kind of forgiveness for those of us who stood by and let our liberty and freedom be taken from us while we are good little peaceful people who will do nothing to make anything in this world a better place. You have to take responsibility to succeed. It is irresponsible to use blame to put yourself above others but do nothing to solve problems that effect so many peoples lives and the future of the earth. If anything that the Hippie community has been doing over the past 40 years was working, then the world would be a better place than it was. Giving the same responses to the same problems when those responses are not working is futile. It might feel good and leave fair minded people in a secure state of denial but people in denial, especially when in mass concerted brainwashed denial, often awaken rudely and to their detriment like in the Jim Jones community, or the Branch Davidians. Violence and self destruction brings attention to issues but the effect fades quickly and the statuesque returns again. Can you imagine the effect that a surfacing of facts that showed that the Hippie community was bad for mother, in fact that they were standing between her survival by blocking access to information that the world needs to be in control of to save her. That sounds crazy but Hippies have been the leadership genera for the environmental community while if they did not exist, a new crop of environmentally concerned young people could stand up and save the planet. People rely on the environmental community to stand up when their is something sincerely wrong, but they lay down and hide from reality; Meanwhile people like me who try to broadcast the truth of a conspiracy against mother and everything that is good and decent in the world are not taken seriously because people believe that if I were right about what I am saying, Hippies would be out in the streets with their signs and slogans hollering from the rooftops of the headquarters of the oil industries office buildings. Sadly none of this has ever happened on these issues. I know that I am making claims about MTBE that are not being made by anyone else but if you look at what is in the public record and excepted as fact about MTBE with regard to groundwater pollution alone, you have to ask yourselves where they environmentalist have bee for the past twelve years on this issue. I’ll tell you where they are, they helped push the MTBE mandate into the clean air act and are afraid to take responsibility for their mistake, while they figure that they can sit by and watch as lawsuits drop from all over the country for MTBE water pollution, against the oil companies, which looks good for them as long as no one looks closely at the MTBE background. Is this how you protect mother? Poison her to scare people away from industries you hate to aid driving solidarity in your community. If this is a stagy, well I could go on all day about this kind of behavior but the truth is that it won’t work so it is just stupid. Polyisobutylene is the solution to this issue and if environmentalist wait too long to lobby for its use, Bush will pull it out and implement a PIB program that will leave him looking like a friend of the earth while how will your people look after that. They will be left behind looking as if the only thing they really care about is politics and succeeding at a faulty game plan or losing. The truth is that if you look at where we get most of our oil and natural gas, you find desert. Of course not all of it but you will always find oil and gas in deserted regions. This is because these once lush regions have created too much fossils fuels under their soils so that the methane that is a byproduct of the composting fossil fuels has reached a critical mass where it is coming back out of the ground at such a rate as to relieve an environment of its water resources at a faster rate than it is returned. If you believe that mother is complex enough to have a plan for her oil products that we are somehow disturbing, it sounds like you believe that mother has a grand plan like God. It is not unique to my way of looking at the world that the belief in the God that is most prevalent in the world today arise out of a region that had been turning deserted at the time these religions evolved and that we now are draining these regions of the byproducts of life that lead to these dramatic changes in those regions ecological balance. The point is that if you believe mother has a plan, you have to ask what role we play in that plan. If we were designed to be passive and sedentary, why are we intelligent and in need of fuel for survival. Needing fuel for survival is something humans have needed for much longer than we have been technologically sophisticated. Stop being a hater and wake up. Mother needs your love, not a fantasy love that you use to deny yourself of your responsibility to this earth. Put it out there where she can see you. Put it on the line. Stop lying to yourselves and to me and start to pull yourselves out of the wasteland you have created for yourselves and your earth.

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Man, I'm thank you for your response.

I don't know all the corruption and concessions around the clean act, but I hope to know enough to say you that your conception of environment, for a person who studies and grows in this domain, is a real fantasy. you say my love for life it's a fantasy, and you know never about me, let's go! Me I cannot tell you that your love and impression about what Mother Earth is "meening" is stupid, or false; Every impression is equal and sacred for me. But when you talk about chemistery, geology, ecology, petrology, you are at the side of all science "knows" today, maybe you are a great prophet and each scientist and environmentalist is a dumb, but I don't think so.

So, I don't think that our human place is to exploiting earth and jumping in a kind of star-treck robotised futur. The destination is here. The light is here and now. What's my mind about the "plan". Keep your own, but be careful when you telling something. Inform you before.

ciao,

 

This response is for EllisDTripp/ MidnightMoonlight/ jivre to reply to their angry responses to-"Hippies killing Mother"',"Renewable fuels a bad plan - more fossil fuels is the solution" which was a resonse to jivre from another article I posted in this Forum titled "Methane is 25 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide" on 11 30 04

I address this response to all three of you because you have all taken on the responsibility of discrediting my campaign against you. You are correct in part of how you are engaging me. I am not an agent for the pro CO2 lobby. I am also not an idiot. In fact all my facts have been thoroughly researched by a major publisher and are substantiated by the scientific community. Many scientists who have access to my work are still supporting the CO2 agenda of the UN because my work is part of a classified international investigation into the world banking system. I came here because I had earlier wanted to publish my opinions that the left wing radical activist community’s leadership was truly in league with the one world government industrialist in a conspiracy to rid the world of a large percent of its burgeoning populations where they sought to build a more utopian society that they look forward to as a paradise reward for their sacrifice of fighting this horribly ugly clandestine war, which goes against the core of their principle values. That is you guys, the soldiers of the New World Order. I wanted to originally write about how guys, or gals, like yourselves give the impression that you are fighting against something in order to solve a problem where you engage in a clandestine lifestyle supported by donations from left wing organizations and groupie followers, while what you are really doing is inserting yourself in the path of the solution process so that no resolution can ever take place. I see it at world bank meetings and WTO meetings all the time. You go there and raise all kinds of hell to give the pretense that you want change but all that happens is that the public winds up hearing about your violent and arrogant actions. The truth about what happens in the meetings stays hidden from the public, just like the organizers of the meetings want, because the media is focused on you and the fear you provoke. The people who go to protest the content of the meetings are never heard because the radical left is making a whole lot of noise that no one ever hears what the hell any of it is about. The public winds up supporting the bastards that are fucking up the planet and life for everyone on it because they see you guys as the bad guys. I watch those protest, which are really more like riots, and I see young white upper middle class to rich supposed radicals, but when I think it through a little further, I find that you are actually the children of the people who are engaging the world in the manner you are supposed to be fighting against. So I figured I had a right to write about it but my publisher said no because I have no evidence, only a theory. They say it would take away from the credibility of my other work if I start publishing political opinions. I am an investigator so my work has to rely on evidence where the reader forms the opinion. What I do is try to make what I see crystal clear to my readers by engaging the objects of my theories and gathering supporting stories that build a relationship with what I think is really going on. When I have enough to make a case, I publish it. So I says to my agent how can I change the current situation so that I have some credibility in the area where I can portray the radical left for the evil bunch of hate monger Nazi’s that they are. We worked on it a while and came up with this as part of our plan. You see you three have engaged me in a counterintelligence campaign to try to discredit me in this forum. I really like the way you drag your responses way down the page to make it seem so long that no one follows it to my answer so it looks like I have been discredited because they likely will not go down and read my rebuttal. Things like that show that you are engaging me in a coordinated manner and you are establishing a pattern that fits the profile of a left wing socialist activist. But more importantly, you have failed to engage me about the good additive, polyisobutylene. That is what I was looking for. Defending MTBE is on the one hand a sign that I am correct that your leadership actively defends its use and the true nature of its qualities, but that would not give me the evidence I need. You failing to engage the topic of Polyisobutylene does. You are trying to discredit me not because I speak out against MTBE but because I support PIB. You are trying to build a defense in this forum from your impressionable following that I am an idiot to take the focus of the obvious direction of the content of my postings, which is PIB. What I documented for my agent, and is sealed with his attorney holding a notarized copy of my plan of operations, which included an outlay of coming into left wing forums where I would give the heart of my story out like free candy with facts that are still classified intelligence. I proposed that would get the response that I got rather than having this information responded to positively and aggressively, and taken and used to either benefit the supposed cause of the liberal left, or to be used for financial gain by any of you. That demonstrates that you have an agenda that is bigger than this issue. Something that holds together your community in an agenda of solidarity that is against the environment and benefit of humanity, and also must have an incentive behind your motives that is greater than what you could do with a story like this in a wide open political forum where this information could be used to create personal wealth and fulfill your supposed agenda without a conflict of interest that would go against your supposed principles. This is not the end of building evidence I need to support this profile I want to publish about the liberal left but it is enough for the time I have spent in this forum. Thanks a lot guys. You were a big help. I would have been wasting my time if you hadn’t come along. Look for my book, you might have some posting in it. Thanks again.