Guide my psychedelic experience- as a psychotherapeutic device

Hello all. Some may recognize me from the Opioids, Other Drugs, and Pharmaceuticals subforums. I am trying to cut back on my drug use overall and live a more stable, happy life. I got off of hard opioids and now take a low dose of Suboxone. I also take Adderall medicinally (for depression strangely), but I think I want to get off of it, as I think it might be doing more harm than good in my overall long-term stability.

I still have an interest in psychedelics, however. I have never taken one. I approach them with caution due to my mental illness, but I am rather stablized and have already fought through most of my "demons" in traditional psychotherapy in the last 7 hard years. However, I had the opportunity to get my hands on a certain psychedelic recently. I won't say which, as it may bias your responses due to certain people liking certain ones over others. It, though, is a 5-HT2A partial agonist, however (ie: a traditional psychedelic).

I would like to have a few private therapeutic experiences with it given at moderate to moderately high doses in order to see what other areas of my life I need to work on. I also plan on thinking about a lot of the progress I have made and how to keep it up. I also want to find some realistic reasons to get off of Adderall and live a relatively drug-free life. I think that this substance will help me with these things.

So, my question is, what other ideas or self-discussion topics should I try to bring into my sessions? Should I allow my mind to wander wildly, or attempt to keep it on track? What are good ways to remember the insights gained?

The reason I want to do this alone, aside from being extremely introverted by my very nature, is that I already used opioids and Adderall for "euphoric fun", and I need this, rather as a therapy tool. I wouldn't want my friends to get bored with my blabbing about my psychological quirks!

Thanks. I will probably try the first dose next week some time (I am unemployed- this drug is not tested for by the job I want haha), so take your time giving advice!

Best


EK

 

Knowing the substance you are taking is important...

Because some psychedelics are more cognitive mind fuck trips while others are more emotionally charged.

 

Yes. I have done a lot of research. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to look at some more Erowid.org experiences.

 

No, I meant telling us the substance you are taking is important, as it will dictate the response given. My preference for one psychedelic over another is irrelevant.

 

Do not expect to much from whatever it is you are taking. If it is LSD or shrooms, IME it is best to let them do the work, try not to concentrate on fixing or dealing with what ever problems you have. Atleast not right from the start, if you nothing is presented to you, then after some experience try to deal with whatever it is that's bothering you. Get used to the head space first though, you gotta learn to swim before you go diving

Shrooms might not be the best choice for you right now unless in low doses. Lsd will make you look at yourself in an honest fashion, without all your physical attachments that you might think make you who you are.

 

The drug is the sustituted amphetamine called 2C-I. I hope you (guerilla or should I say querilla) know something about that drug. It seems to have similar effects to 2C-B from what I gather.

As your the quoted portion, it is not shrooms, but I certainly would WANT to see myself in an honest fashion. That would generally be my reasoning for trying a psychedelic drug over just taking a double dose of Suboxone for extra fun.

 

2ci is a phenethylamime as I'm sure you know, Its one of the more emotionally charged psychedelics. Its not strikingly visual but during the day it has some color enhancement and other subtle visual effects. It is stimulating and can be really euphoric with occasional nausea and/or muscle tension.

For your first trip I'm not sure I would even go in with too structured of a gameplan, I think just exploring the psychedelic headspace and seeing what comes from that can work. The set and setting are important and my reccomendations for 2ci would be to take in the afternoon in a peaceful setting ( park, trail, etc) and walk around and explore the enviornment.

If you feel it necessary to really focus on a specific area than I reccommend you take a pad and pen right down some areas you want to focus on (probably center on emotional ideas/relationships you hold with people,etc) before the trip, take that with you on the trip and write down possible solutions/epiphanies you came to and other issues that may have grabbed your intention. To remember some of the ideas right down trigger words that you think may help you recall the ideas later.

The first trip though I would probably just try to get used to the headspace, your thoughts may be somewhat scattered or moving at a pace you're not accustomed to. Your mind remains relatively clear on 2ci and music sounds great.

 

Thank you much.

That sounds good. I think that you are right in saying that I should familiarize myself with this, until now, alien way of thinking and perceiving things. There is a beautiful park nearby my apartment that I can walk to and come back from easily.

I was also interested in listening to music, since that is one of my favorite things to do sober, under the influence of opioids, whatever. I cherish some of the pseudo-psychedelic memories of listening to certain songs under high doses of Cannabis years ago. I will certainly incorporate it.

I am sure you are right that trying to structure the first time would be "against the grain" so to speak. I suppose if any negative thoughts pop up related to things I want to change, I can analyze them as they come. I am not even particularly concerned if the experience isn't "happy" per se. I just would like to see the world and my views on it in a different way.

 

Having not done 2c-i, take my comments with a grain of salt. (I have done 2c-c, 2c-e, 2c-b, 2c-t-7). First, it is only as similar to 2c-b as it is to say, mdma. They share a great structural similarity but the difference of the iodine group vs the bromine group is a huge one. Shulgin's favorite substance, period, was 2c-b, and it was used in therapy a lot, whereas I haven't heard of this application for 2c-i. However, this is in a way irrelevant, for as you know, the mechanism of action of both would be quite similar and the overall educational experience of both SHOULD be somewhere in the same ballpark (even if one is a home run and the other is a long drawn out boring game ).

second, before you get too involved in making plans for what to do during your trip, you should just take the substance with no plans, and see what it's like. I will tell you that most likely any plans you make will be thrown out the window once you are actually in a psychedelic state of openness, you will simply see through the errors of your thinking in what you THOUGHT this state would be like, and how you thought you would approach your self-therapy, and most likely some kind of organic restructuring of your views on all this will take place. 2c-i sounds pretty tame as far as the psychedelics go, even as far as the 2c's go. Keep that in mind, don't think that you are anywhere near what LSD or mushrooms will produce. I suppose this is a good one for you to start with though. I'm surprised to hear you say it is emotionally charged guerr, I keep hearing about how it's very cold and analytical. But then I think it's you who said you've never experienced euphoria greater than what 2c-i gave you one time?

good luck kearne.

 

in my opinion you want to promote a therapuetic effect from a psychedelic the first and most important thing you can do is properly set the intention in the time leading up to the expirience. the more energy you put into the harnessing of your intent the more powerful the outcome will be. you could pray, or fast, or journal, if your into these sorts of things...the point is to build up the importance of the event.
the second thing to be concerned with is minimizing distractions whilst undergoing the expirience. what it means to do this is personal as well, and up to you to figure out.

after that the only thing left to do is let the expirience unfold.

 

Writer: I think what you are thinking of was a thread that was comparing 2cb and 2ci and I said that my most euphoric experience with 2ci was more than my most euphoric with 2cb. It can have a cold analytical quality as well. It has more of a fluctuating emotional headspace for me than 2cb.

 

Thanks again for the advice. I am currently on a 'break' in my first experience with the 2C-I. I didn't take high enough of a dose, likely because I take an SNRI antidepressant, but I am still enjoying getting used to this new way of thinking and perceiving.

It seems like I bring up my 'therapy' topics occasionally, but it is not as though they are dominating the experience. In reality, it is a beautiful snowy day and I am listening to some new music I found.

 

Hello! I hope some of the people who replied last time will reply again.

Tomorrow, I am going to experience 2C-I again. This time, I am doing it with my best friend and I plan on taking a much higher dose. I am really looking forward to it since it is supposed to snow and my friend will be able to stay over and we can brew coffee the next morning and talk about the experience during the morning, while the roads get cleaned.

I take Zyprexa every night, which is a 5-HT2A antagonist. Even with taking that the night before I took 2C-I last time, I had a decent experience, although weak. I am not taking the drug tonight so that I can spare the receptor site for 2C-I. I look forward to the experience. I had far more fun than I expected. I usually get really sketchy with Cannabis and grew to dislike it, but I felt completely different on this stuff. I felt a warmth. I DID experience some disturbing-type thoughts, but they quickly left, and I didn't place so much of a significance on them.

Talk to you tomorrow.

 

how much of a higher dose? have fun

 

25mg.

 

I think it's a bad idea to rely on random internet forumers for psycho-therapy advice.

But no one listens to me so suit yourself.

My attempt at constructive advice: No matter how turned around you get, don't let yourslef loose track of what is importiant to you. That's all I got.

 

I don't think it's so bad, he's looking to do a little self-exploration under the effects of a common phenethylamine, something which seems to be the regular sort of activity we do around these parts. Surely we have some words of guidance to offer, if only "we cant really help you!"

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I just think one should take heed going down that path. I do it myself, and there is a lot of room for deception. From others and yourself. A single thought can spin into an entire mentality... and that's not always good.

Be true to yourself, know yourself. Focus on the good and beautiful aspects of life, but keep a watchful eye on the darkness. it's in all of us to some extent.

 

You are looking for cathartic experience which is the result of therapeutic techniques. When you say therapeutic experiences I think of clinical conditions and maybe a guide to keep you on track.

 

Stoned: Could you please expand on that. It is written in rather literary terms and I don't quite understand what you mean in the first sentence.

Are you saying that I should not use these drugs as a tool for psychotherapy? If not, what good are they? If I wanted a euphoriant, I have plenty of opioids and amphetamines!

Even in my trial dose, I found myself seeing things in a much more stable perspective than my normal state. When I encountered "Bad" thoughts, I explored them and resolved them.