Although there are active Al Qaeda training camps in Sudan and there is mass genocide, Bush says he is not interested in stopping the ruthless dictator there because there isn't enough oil for Halliburton to justify drilling. TIME Magazine: The Tragedy of Sudan The Tragedy of Sudan Fifty thousand are dead, thousands more will die, and more than 1 million have lost their homes. Simon Robinson visits Darfur and witnesses what is happening while the world dithers. By SIMON ROBINSON Oct. 4, 2004 The first sound Zahara Abdulkarim heard when she woke that last morning in her village was the drone of warplanes circling overhead. Then came gunshots and screams and the sickening crash of bombs ripping through her neighbors' mud-and-thatch huts, gouging craters into the dry earth. When Abdulkarim, 25, ran outside, she was confronted by two men in military uniform, one wielding a knife, the other a whip. They were members, she says, of the Arab militia known as the Janjaweed, which over the past 18 months has slaughtered tens of thousands of black Africans like Abdulkarim across the... http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=156 The Bush administration claims it's on a mission to root out terrorism all over the world, yet it provides the Chadian military with both trainings and armaments to keep groups linked to al-Qaeda active in the Sudan troubled region, Darfur.
Please show me a quote where bush says this. And by the way, clueless, there is oil in Sudan. Which could be a problem, because if Bush intervened in Sudan, Cyberfly would immediately start posting "hilarious" political cartoons showing that Bush is after the oil again.
if we didnt cause this or help cause this for them thhn why do we need to go get involved dont we get involved in enough as it is ? how is a country that has homeless and starving and a host of other issues to face going to help any other country ? seems like all of our "help" in other places is just war and related
The problem is that Sudan only has Al Qaeda, Mass Murder, Terrorism....and not enough oil to fight over. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/su.html Economy Sudan Oil - consumption: 50,000 bbl/day (2001 est.) Oil - exports: NA (2001) Oil - imports: NA (2001) Oil - proved reserves: 631.5 million bbl (1 January 2002) Compared to... http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html Economy Iraq Oil - production: 2.2 million bbl/day; note - prewar production was 2.8 million bbl/day (January 2004 est.) Oil - consumption: 460,000 bbl/day (2001 est.) Oil - exports: 1.7 million bbl/day (January 2004) Oil - proved reserves: 113.8 billion bbl (1 January 2002) ************** You can bet the next invasion will be Syria or Iran. That's where the oil is.
Syria, which has a 2.4 billion barrels of reserves, which are expected to run out in 10 years? That's where the oil is? Syria, which already has a joint venture with Shell? Researched to your usual standards, Fly. So have you ever managed to prove how invading Iraq has changed in any way our access to oil?
PointBreak, you are such a pinhead. You don't back up hardly anything you say and as for research, all you have to do is go to the CIA website I provided for your sorry ass. Syria has much more oil than Sudan. Syria has a military weaker than Iraq. Syria is a stones throw from where our troops are already mobilized. Syria has massive pipeline infrastructure and easy port access to pump oil out like Halliburton is doing now in Iraq. Yes in many posts you are apparently too stupid to read. Here is even more proof. http://www.nysscpa.org/home/2004/1004/2week/article37.htm U.S. to Audit Halliburton Iraq Contracts UNITED NATIONS -- Washington has agreed to commission a special audit of sole-source Pentagon contracts granted to Halliburton Co. and paid for with Iraqi oil money, an international watchdog agency said on Thursday, according to Reuters. The U.S. government agreed to order the audit after complaints from the International Advisory and Monitoring Board about contracts the Pentagon awarded to Halliburton -- headed by Vice President Dick Cheney from 1995-2000 -- using Iraqi funds and without competitive bidding during the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. The monitoring board, created by the U.N. Security Council to watch over U.S. management of Iraq's natural resources during the occupation, also released an audit of Iraq's oil accounts during the final six months of the occupation. It expressed reservations about the occupation authorities' tracking of cash receipts and oil export sales. "We expressed a qualified audit opinion on the completeness of cash receipts. We further expressed a qualified audit opinion on the completeness of export sales of petroleum and petroleum products," KPMG said in a letter to the board. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9E21D088-7317-45DF-BE62-7CE8BEB830B1.htm Iraqis fail to regain control of oil revenue By Ahmed Janabi Tuesday 01 June 2004, 18:50 Makka Time, 15:50 GMT The latest Iraqi attempts to recover control of the country's oil revenues from the United States appear to have hit a dead end with a special delegation being rebuffed in its bid to secure UN help. The delegation has been in New York in a bid to petition the UN to exert pressure on US occupation authorities, who currently preside over Iraq's oil output. It includes Hamid al-Bayati, a deputy in the Iraqi interim foreign ministry and a spokesperson for the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq. In New York since last week its members have so far failed to get an audience with UN officials. The control of Iraq's oil revenue has been controversial ever since the US-led occupation of Iraq in 2003. The US has imposed secrecy on oil deals, exportation, and use of revenues. Iraqi officials have previously asked for access to oil revenues, but have been turned down by the occupation Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) headed by Paul Bremer. Daylight robbery Muzhir al-Dulaymi, spokesman for the League for the Defence of Iraqi Peoples' Rights, told Aljazeera the US was systematically milking Iraq of its oil. "A daylight robbery is going in Iraq. I have first hand information from sources in al-Bakr port in southern Iraq, and in the Turkish port of Jihan, confirming that three million oil barrels are being taken out of Iraq on a daily basis" al-Dulaymi said. "Oil sale contracts only go to the Iraqi oil ministry for signing. They cannot say a word about them; not to mention the fact that there are many sealed contracts which the Iraqi ministry of oil is not notified of." Al-Dulaymi says the Bush administration is benefiting from the process. "When oil prices surpassed $30 last year, Bush sent his Energy Secretary to the Middle East, who held talks with Saudi Arabia and other oil producers to reduce prices. "But here we are now; oil prices have reached $40 and not a word from the Bush administration. Why? Because they are benefitting. Definitely, they will not sacrifice such revenue and give it to Iraqis."
Well, that is the most the pensive pose I believe I have ever seen Dipdeedoo in. Thanks, btw, Cyberfly for all the interesting pics. No. I ain't read the thread because I just copied the pic. I like it for it's reflection of psuedo intelligensce.
(off topic sort of) On that note(pun intended, where the fug is your station? I get a mass list when I click on your link) I like internet radio, why yahoo? Ok tried it again.
Syria's reserves are 2% the size of Iraq's. Your CIA website link will confirm this, idiot. If Sudan's reserves are too small, so are Syrias, you're just trying to have it both ways. That has nothing to do with our access to Iraqi oil, moron. And neither does your other post prove anything. Iraq's oil industry is the ONLY industry the US excluded from its privatisation agenda. The US bought Iraqi oil before gulf war 2, and the US buys oil from Iraq now. Nothing has changed. That's the reason morons like you get so angry when asked to prove the US has "taken" Iraq's oil - they cannot provide a thread of evidence, and hate it when people interrupt their "war for oil" mantra. Stick to pasting cartoons, Fly, you couldn't put together a coherent argument if your life depended on it.
That's true PinHead. False. Syria has 4 times as much oil as Sudan and is a better target of opportunity for several other reasons I explained earlier. Was that ever my goal? What I have proven is who makes money off of Iraqi oil. The invasion did change Halliburton's economic forecast. Tell that to the Iraqi people. One big change is now Halliburton is rolling in money from no bid contracts passed out by the Bush administration. Maybe I am not coherent to you PB, but I think there are a few people out there who understand what is going on. Besides, I am more concerned with the Truth than arguing. In all fairness, Iran has more oil than Syria and Sudan, and that is where most of Bush's saber rattling is going towards now. The problem is that Iran also has a stronger military than Syria and Sudan as well. Just the facts. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html Oil - proved reserves: 94.39 billion bbl (1 January 2002)
Four times larger doesn't mean anything if they are still too small. 2% of Iraq's reserves doesn't sound very exciting to me. Stop trying to bullshit us. The point is you are a partisan fanatic that doesn't give a crap about Sudan. Or maybe you can explain to us why Clinton didn't intervene in Rwanda? Wonder if your moron friend Tom Tomorrow would be making jokes about Kerry's concerns about Iran if he were president? Wonder if you would be posting them?
Lol...if I appear like a partisan fanatic, it is only because I am trying to restore balance in the force. Why didn't Clinton intervene? Because it was his policy to avoid any costly war, which was, how he was able to achieve a record budget surplus and pay down the National Debt. That's why the economy was so good then. We have yet to see the markets go as high. Also, Clinton got roasted for anything he did. Clinton trying to get support from Liberals is like herding cats in a hurricain. Most Republicans may be ignorant but they are a lot more reliable. http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html
