Computer technology

this thread makes me sick.

why the fuck would machines do that?? because someone is programming it to do that!! you're contemplating that idea from a world where we've never known anything besides corruption and bullshit.

when thinking about the end of humans and robots taking over, it comes down to politics.
if we have any responsibility to approach the topic of machines, it is a political debate. every technologic milestone will come no matter what.

if robots become independent and better than humans, they'll most likely become smarter, which is definitely not bad considering we have upheld such corrupt economic and social systems as humans.
if you think it is logical to uphold life in general, why are you afraid that a system of machines, solely based on science and logic, will destroy us?

 

computers right now work in different ways in terms of performance. any mundane computer can store information for infinitely times longer than a human (resources demanded to uphold it regardless because you need resources to uphold humans also). computers are many times better than us already with singular tasks or assigned programming. the human brain is powerful with its biology and chemistry and reactions, but considering only the differences with computers, they've already outperformed us.

dude, they can make computers that hold terabytes. do you know what that even means compared to a human brain?

one thing special about the human brain is that it adapts, and thats what the op is originally about.

 

Very interesting thread but it brings to mind a plant I read about in Japan. The plant assemblies robots and runs on it's own in the off hours. But even this plant run by computers and robots still had to call in a human when it ran across a problem it could not work around.

 

Yeah, it's nowhere close to the storage capacity of the human brain. Just because you can't actively recall ALL your memories doesn't mean they aren't stored there. That has been proven many times. Plus computers have nowhere near the multi-tasking ability of the human brain. We just are not consciously aware of everything our brain is doing at any given second, but it certainly is a whole hell of a lot more than a computer could accomplish.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-the-memory-capacity
The human brain consists of about one billion neurons. Each neuron forms about 1,000 connections to other neurons, amounting to more than a trillion connections. If each neuron could only help store a single memory, running out of space would be a problem. You might have only a few gigabytes of storage space, similar to the space in an iPod or a USB flash drive. Yet neurons combine so that each one helps with many memories at a time, exponentially increasing the brain’s memory storage capacity to something closer to around 2.5 petabytes (or a million gigabytes). For comparison, if your brain worked like a digital video recorder in a television, 2.5 petabytes would be enough to hold three million hours of TV shows. You would have to leave the TV running continuously for more than 300 years to use up all that storage.

Plus computers store data on either hard disk platters through a magnetic polarity charge or Solid State Drives, which are banks of memory.
Hard drive expected life is about five years. After that they begin to become unreliable. That is due to "magnetic drift" where adjacent sectors begin to be affected by the magnetic polarity changes of their neighbors. Eventually what happens is a cascade effect where when a sector changes polarity it causes a domino effect that migrates to other sectors and alters their polarity. That is why when a drive starts to fail and lose data it gets worse and worse as the drive is used more and the effected sectors are used. SSD's are also far from perfect, though they do have a longer life than platters, but still not 75 years like a human brain.
I don't know about you, but my brain has a longer service life than 5 years.

Also lets keep in mind that computers only do one thing, mathematical computations, thats it and they still only work on a simple binary system.

 

so how is performance measured? is it by the ability to store? because the subconscious of the human brain cant just bring out answers like a computer can. the subconsious is not entirely useful, but its considered more powerful?

we can only be certain that service life of a computer reflects society itself alongside human life. computers have barely been around for more than 20 years, 10-or-so everyday use computers with the fastest evolving topic ever in history. i say "infinitely as long" because if society upkept electric ports it related to, and kept software that held constant, computers can potentially have longer service lives longer than us. we are in a transitional period where electronics are booming like crazy, and that can be due to the economy and society holding it back in the past to only explode now, or because a universitality and sustainability establishment has not been established yet. and i do think that is to come.
they say we are in the "information era"

also, brains only do mathematical computations too. when researching brain neurology, you'll find that brain chemistry is all about positive and negative states of every neuron. and how societal involvement has repurcussions on brain chemistry (codes and sequences of acceptance or not).
i would love to see how that article explains how the combination of neurons can equal a petabyte. how is it measured upon? and is that putting the amount of neurons in a brain, to all the different combinations into an equation? cuz thats not entirely reliable.

 

Computers have been around for around 50-60 years, it's just the PC that is relatively new and even then they have been around for close to forty years.
I have been working with/on/building computers for almost twenty years, so I know for sure that "everyday use computers" have been around for longer than you state.

Some of your other ideas in the above post just sound .
Really don't know where your going with all the talk of "society" and all. I thought we we talking about machines, computers.

 

i thought computers were only around for like 40 years. i wasnt sure of that cuz i read it a long time ago.
everyday use is subjective, and i'd only consider everyday use really to be the beginning of this decade. "everyday" meaning it comes to use with reality and jobs and media and such.

how does that article or researcher measure how much information a combination of neurons can hold? is it taking each neuron to the nth power of the number of remaining neurons? i just dont think the way they could have measured "a combination of neurons" is reliable or relatable to a computer bit. but the thing that can be compared is a computer bit and a neuron for the positive and negative electrical charge state. the brain may have more potential because of the combinations react with the combinations, but the usefulness is a problem.

what i was saying about society is that we have an economy that relies on the short service life (and cuz its an infant industry) but i think computers will eventually plateau to a level of sustainability when our economy reflects it.
so computers as a concept compared to an organic brain definitely makes the brain obsolete, but human brains are the most powerful at the moment, maybe, but considering the usefulness and the societal effects it takes hold of, it makes it questionable.

 

http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/

only goes through 1994, but you get the idea.

 

This thread is full of clueless people freaking out about a future they saw in the Terminator movies because they have no idea what they're talking about.

 

The Terminator was based on the real life experience of a time traveler who revealed the future to James Cameron

He used the story told to him as inspiration for his 1984 film :2thumbsup:


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