Interview with the inventor of methoxetamine

memantine · Feb 7, 2011

Hey I'm a long time hipforums lurker and wanted to contribute this article I found about a new ketamine analog research chemical called "methoxetamine."

INTERVIEW WITH A KETAMINE CHEMIST
OR TO BE MORE PRECISE, AN ARYLCYCLOHEXYLAMINE CHEMIST

BY HAMILTON MORRIS

There are medicinal chemists who work on an unseen side of the pharmaceutical industry. Like their legally sanctioned counterparts, they work to synthesize drugs they hope will produce therapeutic effects in their users. But they do not work with billion-dollar budgets or advertising agencies; doctors are not bribed to distribute their products with ergonomic pens or fine terrycloth beach towels. Their advertising comes solely from word of mouth and semicautionary articles like the one you are about to read.

The creation of these chemicals is an extraordinary feat of interdisciplinarity; often the pharmacologist, the chemist, the posologist, the toxicologist, and the experimental animal are all the same human being. This is the way drugs have been developed since the beginning of medical history—it is only in recent years that the practice of self-experimentation has become stigmatized, and accordingly these experimenters, like M., must remain shrouded in mystery.

M. is one of the most respected chemists in his underground field. Singlehandedly, he has popularized and discovered numerous novel drugs for gray-market distribution. His most recent investigation of ketamine and its chemical variations produced a new dissociative anesthetic named methoxetamine, which has recently made its way into the nostrils and anuses of lay experimenters worldwide. Methoxetamine is an exemplary product of rational drug discovery; each of its atoms is the result of arduous study and consideration, all created independently on a minuscule budget. But the success of drugs like methoxetamine does not entail great profits for their inventors. Indeed, it is they who wring their hands most over the unknown fate of the chemicals they conceive. Herein we shall explore the great bioethical quandary faced by the underground medicinal chemist.

Vice: How did your interest in the chemistry of dissociatives begin?
M.: Well, when I was a young boy, only 13, I was badly hurt in an IRA bombing in London. My left hand had to be amputated after the explosion, and I knew I’d lived through a psychological stress that most people cannot even conceive. I would definitely say this triggered my interest in altered states. When you lose a limb, especially when the limb is exposed to serious trauma before the loss, there is a significant chance you’ll be left with an agonizing phantom limb.

Right, treatment for phantom limb has been one of the great riddles of neuroscience. Have you tried Ramachandran’s mirror-box therapy?
Oh yes, I’ve read Phantoms in the Brain and tried an awful lot of things. It’s a complete bastard to treat. God knows how many drugs I’ve been prescribed. Antidepressants, anti-epileptics, muscle relaxants—none of them really worked. For the worst excesses of phantom-limb pain, traditional painkillers like opiates don’t even touch it. You might as well not even bother with them. I was prescribed high doses of pethidine [also known as Demerol] but returned the bottle to my doctor because it wasn’t doing me any good whatsoever. When I came back, my doctor was agog. He said, “Nobody returns pethidine!” The pain involved can be so bad as to effectively detach your mind from consensus reality. Without suitable analgesia I end up looking like a psychiatric inmate, just rocking backward and forward, unable to do anything, sometimes for more than a day. All that considered, anything that does work is an absolute godsend.

And what works?
I discovered a long time ago that ketamine and cannabinoids helped my phantom hand. I’m quite convinced these classes work by distorting body image so severely that you phase out triggers for the pain. I have experienced profound proprioceptive distortions after intramuscular PCP injection, as if my whole body were a proportional model of the sensory homunculus. But in a sense, what I feel is not hallucination or a distortion, I actually find dissociatives corrective, that is, they make the phantom disappear. This is not just an idiosyncratic response on my part; there are at least three articles published on the effectiveness of ketamine in treating phantom-limb pain. It’s dished out by British pain-management clinics for just that purpose in the form of a nauseatingly artificial lemon-flavored linctus. Needless to say, the whole lot of it gets squirted up the arse to bypass my taste buds, but even this has its drawbacks… like sticky, sugary bum cheeks!

Fascinating. I had never considered the possibility that ketamine’s therapeutic effect on phantom limb is psychogenic—like a proprioceptive antihallucination. Recently there was an experiment done with ketamine and the rubber-hand illusion. Subjects given a ketamine infusion could feel the rhythmic strokes of a motorized paintbrush on a rubber hand in their visual field, as if the rubber hand were their real hand. So ketamine can both remove and embody an illusory appendage. Your background is in mainstream pharmacology, studying phenmetrazine2 analogs, correct?
Yes, after receiving a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry I was working on my masters in neuropharmacology. I synthesized an array of phenmetrazine analogs and quantified their potency as anorectics. But in order to do these experiments, you’ve got to kill rats. They train you to use noble words like sacrifice, but truthfully they just get a lab technician to smash the rat’s head open, or cut it in half with a pair of scissors. My conscience couldn’t hack it. So I became a teacher.

You did what?
I taught neurobiology as part of my postgraduate degree. But then I transitioned from academia into the sort of independent research I’m doing now.

You were the first person to report on the effects of synthetic cannabinoids like JWH-018, long before Spice Gold, and the first to comment on desoxypipradrol, 1-ethynylcyclohexanol, 5-APB, and methoxetamine. You have your finger in many pies… so to speak.
After receiving my degree I was just talking to people with similar interests, and I got to know a lot of people who had their expertise on the organic-chemistry side of things. Often these people were looking for somebody from a pharmacology background to suggest promising drugs, and it all went from there. As far as my own synthetic chemistry goes, I hung up my Leibig condenser a long time ago due to police visits and galloping paranoia, and, most important, I promised my ex-partner I would leave that life behind before we got hitched. She is a clinical toxicologist so she knows all too well what kind of damages these reckless behaviors can incur.
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fryingsquirrel · Feb 7, 2011

Nice find.

porkstock41 · Feb 7, 2011

3-MeO-PCP...sounds interesting for the first time.

"With the 3-methoxys there is such incredible laughter and boundless sexual energy. 3-MeO-PCP produces an inner stillness as if all the leaky naggings of the subconscious are completely muted. At 15 mg I felt 3-MeO-PCP was possibly the most amazing drug I had ever consumed, and 3-MeO-PCE seemed to have the full capacity to be the next LSD. It’s a barrel of laughs, with none of the shambolic lurching of ketamine"

Mr.Toad · Feb 8, 2011

Nice find, thanks for sharing.

I must admit that I was a bit dissapointed with 3-MeO-PCE.

I only tried it two times though, but I wasn't impressed. It was lacking everything else I found in ketamine, nitrous oxide and methoxetamine.

Methoxetamine on the other hand...That drug is odd, wonderful, strange...always leaving me wanting another experience. I can see this drug having a massive addiction potential if one is not strict with the dosing.

guerillabedlam · Feb 8, 2011

@ Mr. Toad: Is there anything superior about methoxetamine to ketamaine? (duration aside) Also do you have experience with 4-me0 PCP ? If so how does mxe compare?

Mr.Toad · Feb 8, 2011

Although pretty similar, they're actually pretty far apart. I get almost no visuals from MXE, but the headspace and the "inner journey" can be really amazing. But I wouldn't choose one over another. MXE also have this emotional thing...I can't really pinpoint it, but it's amazing!

Yes, I have tried 4-MeO-PCP, but I doesn't want to put it in the same category as the others. The duration is way too long, the hangovers lasting way in to the next day and problems with moving properly around is what's putting me off. My balance was fucked all the way into the next day. 4-MeO-PCP also have this "dirty(not good for your body)" glow which I don't get with any of the others.

Atomic Kickings · Feb 8, 2011

I liked methoxetamine the first 2 times I tried it, not as much the 3rd (same doses, set and setting etc). Might have been a stronger/weaker batch the 3rd time I guess, or just "one of those things" as people say.

I didn't get any visuals off it either really though it took my eyes/brain a while to catch up with each other if i looked around quickly. I could also see a very fuzzy version of the room i was in for quite a long time after shutting my eyes, but it was like i could see it in "surround" vision if that makes any sense, could kind of see it behind me and above and below me as well as in front. Very odd.

Sounds were altered too, i dreaded going to the toilet as the flush sounded like some kind of monster slowed down and stretched.

I can't compare it to ketamine as i haven't done an active dose. Hopefuly it'll be around for a while though as I can't see it getting as much negative attention as mephedrone and other infamous RCs that were around the UK.

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