What do YOU think happens to the dead?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Sam_Stoned, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    you stay dead for a very long time, and then you are born into a world, just like you were born into this one, so different from this one, that nothing you remember from this one, if it's possible to remember anything from this one at all, would do you a damd bit of good.

    its also possible there's some kind of r&r place inbetween that's both heaven and hell, depending for how its perceived, by how we've defined ourselves in this one.

    that's one possibility anyway.

    (tikoo's answer is probably what all the religions were actually saying, while most of them seem to be trying to keep you from realizing this is what they're actually saying)
     
  2. MellowViper

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    I agree with you that our energy gets reconstituted into the rest of the universe. The way I try to argue this point is from the view of consciousness. Basically our individual nature comes from the different currents of occupied time and space our minds and bodies occupy. Two individuals are never going to occupy the same points in space and time, because they'll bump their noggins together.

    Why there's a separateness in experienced reality at all is a mystery in itself, but I think its kind of an entanglement or folding of one consciousness. While we may have different points of view, were ultimately apart of the same system and are constantly influencing each other and our universe and being influenced right back. The notion that were completely separate islands of awareness is mostly an illusion, because were part of a directly interlinked system even though we have differing emotional states at different times and are responsible for what we make of our world around us.

    We know that electron activity is directly linked to consciousness, so its likely that electrons have a conscious aspect or are channeling a proto-consciousness into a temporary form, much like how the form of a table is a temporary arrangement of matter.

    The word "soul", has a lot of confusion behind it, but I think it, at its core, is just describing the phenomenon of consciousness. I think basically everything has mind behind it, just as the matter in our brains and bodies have mind behind it. I've wondered if the universally compatible nature of matter (why all units of matter can interact and play by the same rules) is the result of a single mind or behavior set mirroring itself in some way into all the subatomic particles and energy in the universe.
     
  3. MellowViper

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    Even if staunch materialism and a universe ruled by complete, random chaos is true, I think rebirth is only inevitable at some point in the distant future. Consciousness, a phenomenon that's really difficult for the materialist to explain in their belief set, let alone in anyone else's, is described by them as some sort of phenomenon that arises when matter is really really organized. If the universe is infinite, and gets reconstituted cyclically in new forms, then, no matter how unlikely the conditions that gave rise to your consciousness prior to your current birth were, they're bound to happen again, given an eternity.
     
  4. Fingermouse

    Fingermouse Helicase

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    All I know is we're ALIVE now and one day we wont be around as we know it. So quick, LIVE!
     
  5. andallthatstocome

    andallthatstocome not a squid

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    I came up with this theory over the course of years. let's say that, in the entire universe, there is only one conscious being. This consciousness is exclusively a mind, having no spatial extension nor temporal extension. a life form comes into existence. This consciousness latches onto and guides this life form until it ceases. then, this same singular consciousness goes and finds itself another, slightly more complex life form that, in it's previous form, it helped to create. the inevitable consequence of this consciousness iterating itself through all sentient life is an image in the collective unconscious of this consciousness; this image may be distorted or embellished in various ways, resulting in the idea of a deity or deities. this godform, being the brain-child of complex transient minds in communication with one another, becomes the goal of the singular consciousness. being unbounded in time, this singular consciousness is free to be you, me, Ghandi, the crazy guy who lives in the subway station, my dog, the judeo-christian God, and Adolf Hitler all at the same time.

    I like how this theory also automatically derives the Categorical Imperative, though I'm not totally certain of the categorical imperative as a workable ethical theory.
     
  6. dmob12

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    nothing.
     
  7. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    i believe dead people go to some sort of after life. a place that theyll enjoy and live care free
     
  8. Burnt

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    we rot, in an eternal pit of nothing.
     
  9. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

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    An interesting book (somewhat) about this is "Life after Life" by Ramond A Moody, MD. It is basically a collection of true experiences of people declared clinically dead - and what they experienced...often to their surprise. Also, of course, he was able to interview the people because they came "back".
    Doesn't even a law(s) of physics indicate that energy is not destroyed; but only changes form?
    I believe after physical death, we will be of another vibration, a different energy form; however, I do believe that we will retain our individuality...I just don't think we are all part of the same big consciousness into which we will all blend after the cross over.
     
  10. Nyxx

    Nyxx HELLO STALKER

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    When I still had hope and love for humanity I thought our physical body would rot and our energy would be dispersed into the universe.

    I am currently in favor of just rotting in the ground, or burning up, if you want to be cremated. I am a fan of cremation, I mean, all that wasted land full of corpses. Seems so weird to me.
     
  11. MelodyZee

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    DBS has gone into great lengths proving once and for all that the mind and "soul" are manifestations of the body, and they cannot exist outside of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HR_Szjhrg8
     
  12. arigami style

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    If self awareness ceases at the point of biological death, then you won't be aware that you are no longer aware of the universe. *shrug* no big deal then really.

    If your consciousness ceases, then the past and futures cease with it. Your death may well be black and abysmal.... best make sure that your life isn't.
     
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    human being dont even know what life is. So at best, I doubt they have a fricking clue what death is... but he does deliver pizza on time.
     
  14. andallthatstocome

    andallthatstocome not a squid

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    take a moment to just look at your thoughts and feelings. you can consider them and for the most part comprehend them. can you see the thing doing the seeing? the self may be comprehensible, and perhaps can be observed objectively, but the transcendental all can not. Immanuel Kant FTW!
     
  15. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    they get born as children on other worlds, a very long time later that passes in an instant.
     
  16. AK Bones

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    If I had to take anybody's word for what takes place after death it would be those ancient order of meditators from the Vedic and Buddhist lineages. But there is really no way of knowing till we get there.
     
  17. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    I think we just die and rot in the ground. With the latest trend in preserved food, we might rot a little bit slower. Just because we have more conscience or knowledge than other mammals does not mean that information goes anywhere special after our body shuts down. Emotion created religion and it doesn't go any farther than that. You could be more specific about WHICH emotions they were but who has the time to read all of that.

    Its what you do in THIS world that counts. We are flesh, bone, and mind. Nothing more. BUT more importantly nothing less. Use the time you have. You will not receive more.
     
  18. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    well one thing's for sure: their bodies decompose over time
     

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