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Alright, here's a question for those who have done both N,N and had a strong or breakthrough experience on 4-aco-dmt. Besides intensity and duration, how would you compare and contrast the two? What are similar elements?

I had my first and only complete ego death (aside from Salvia but that's a different thing altogether) on 4-aco-dmt where I fell into a heavy trance-like state and had very intense vibrations/undulations shooting through my entire body that carried me away into complete loss of myself and carried me on some wavelength or frequency that I can't really put into words. I didn't detect any distinct entities but I felt a presence enveloping me that was neither good or bad - it just was - but it was completely harmonious and flowing. I have memory loss from this point and don't recall any visuals aside from seeing a cliche-ish Stargate kinda glowing "portal" right before it got really heavy, but I remember when I came out I literally felt like I had just emerged from the womb and I was so happy I wanted to cry...

 

Very well could be the fact that LSD was one of my first few trips and I was just not accustomed to the psychedelic space. Shrooms have always felt like they are kind of taking over my brain and I can kind of let them do their thing, as where LSD feels like my own mind being amplified, just let run amok. Shrooms are definitely a heavier trip to me in that I feel more floored and often have to lay down, with a clouded/intoxicated head but LSD is more intense. I tripped on 1/8 of shrooms before LSD. Its very similar to the relationship I find between dpt and DMT. Dpt is physically heavier but DMT is more out there.

I don't think the 60's would have happened with mescaline or mushrooms, not saying those drugs can't be life altering and that they didnt have their niche but the music, colors, art and radical change is unmistakably LSD.

Wiki has todays dosage range at 20-80 ugs. 4 hits of 50 ug acid puts you at 200 ugs compared to the standard 300 ug dose of the 60's. You can feel free to disagree porkstock but you saying LSD is not a colorful psychedelic definitely tells me something is up with todays acid. I'm maintaining my viewpoint for now.

 

Salvia is not a completely different thing all together tho I haven't had ego loss on 4-ac0 dmt but I have taken 30 mgs of 4-ac0 dmt which I believe is what you took on the ego loss trip. I think my 20 mgs rectal trip was more visually impressive. Some people say DMT is similar to 4-ac0 I don't see it personally. For sake of example though DMT space is more 4-ac0 dmt esque visuals set to salvia's speed.

 

That's a good way to put it. But only the visuals, you don't (if you are even able to) find any similarity in head space?

See, my thing with feeling like Salvia is completely different was that I didn't get the chance to decide whether to fight or go with it. I literally blinked and thought I had died and went to hell. I was under the impression that although DMT hits fast and hard, you at least usually get a 30-60ish second build up of intensity, would you say? With the 4-aco, I felt it coming about 15 minutes away. I had the opportunity to think, something's happening... here it comes, I can choose to fight it or let it take me... I'm going to let it take me, ok, here I go... I realize I won't have 15 minutes to prepare on DMT but hopefully longer than the blink of an eye?

 

No no no young lady, you get like 10 seconds max once you put that pipe down for DMT. I often am already feeling a head change when I take my final hit. My head barely even feels altered on DMT, there is a slight tryptamine 'weirdness' about it but you feel fairly normal. Just take a good dose, dont hold back, go with it and try to pay attention, DMT's visual detail is incredible.

 

Well, 10 seconds is better than what Salvia gave me... and the fact that you can start to feel the change as you're taking your last hit sounds less sudden than how I remember Salvia sending me off. It was literally, "This shit ain't workWHATTHEFUCKINGFUCK!"

But anyway, yeah, I know that no amount of questioning and hyping it up for myself is going to do the actual experience justice. I need to just take the plunge... and I will, I always do, but not a second before I'm ready. Perhaps I have a weird need to compensate for having gone into Salvia knowing next to nothing about it and thinking that all the TR's I'd read about it prior were just being "dramatic." Truth is, I just don't ever want to have another experience anything close to Salvia ever again lol

 

Dmt is up there with Salvia but I think if/when you do try a DMT breakthrough you will see there is usually a very reassuring DMT afterglow as where Salvia just sort of leaves you hanging with the "What the fuck was that?" mentality. I've definitely been completely removed from reality on DMT though, its not as clouded as salvia in someway but can be everybit as unsettling while its happening.

Dmt makes complete sense and absolutely no sense simultaneously but it feels like something very intelligent and compassionate tends to that place.

 

Yeah, the mindfuck and utter bewilderment of Salvia was one of my biggest problems with it. I was too confused to really get anything out of it even if I could understand what was happening. Wasn't fond of the body high either once I started to regain understanding of physical sensations. As I was coming out and stumbling around, I felt extremely heavy and intoxicated and sort of what I imagine being severely mentally retarded to be like, and as per usual thought I was stuck that way forever.

I have had the sense/no sense thing on the deeper end of 4-aco and knowing that there is a benevolence to it, in contrast to Salvia's coldness and indifference is a nice thought.

4-aco and melatonin is one of my favorite combos of the few I've tried, if you want to classify it as a real combo. It really takes you to some amazing places... it's beautiful but not overly euphoric, it's "just right"

 

Did you enjoy 4-ac0 dmt and MDMA?

 

i agree that shrooms "take over" while LSD feels like an amplification. so i guess it's a personal difference. i find being taken over a bit more daunting i guess.
i guess i might even agree that LSD is more intense. shrooms are confusing and disorientating, but LSD is sensorially(?) intense. you are probably pretty close at estimating my higher doses to be ~200 ug (4 WoWs, 3 hoffmans, 1.5 shivas). and i never said that LSD wasn't colorful, just that the CEVs for me consist of more negative space between the colors. lots of bright colorful patterns, but over a black background, not like the first two LSD pictures in that thread.

i now see that you initially said "taunting" not "daunting" and i don't think we disagree that much. i would still maintain that at "normal" doses (an eighth or a half, or 1-3ish hits) mushrooms are more taunting, "bad," scary or whatever. i don't disagree that L could be more psychologically abrasive at higher doses. so maybe when you're talking about 5 grams vs 10 hits, the LSD is now more _____ than shrooms.

 

Yah I'd hope 10 hits would be.

The 2nd LSD trip in Jan. 2004 I had, I took 3 hits and it was more intense than anything I've experienced on shrooms to date. The world did a 90 degree turn on its side from comeup to peak, my friends told me I was falling all over them and I remeber putting my shoes on when everyone else simply said 'lets go to a different room' I thought they wanted to leave the house. (Was there no communication here? Had we deteroriated to the level of dumb beasts? ) There was actually kind of a drunkeness to it as well but it still was lighter feeling than mushrooms, much more chaotic emotionally though. I did 2 hits of WOW in 08 when I got back into it and that was really chill and enjoyable, 6 hits after that and had a less intense trip than the 3 hits 2004 trip, but it was a pretty solid trip and then 5 hits after that and that acid was Diiirrrrrtyy! Haven't touched it since.

50 mgs 2ct7 was pretty close to that 04 3 hit LSD trip in terms of intensity, the compounds have a different vibe to them though.

 

well, you've "convinced" me, because now i'm recalling the trip i had this summer on 3 hoffmans while camping. it did get a bit chaotic and emotional when we got back to camp and tried cooking, etc. but i attributed it mostly to trying to function too normally when you're tripping face. that night we were occasionally getting caught up in negative vibes. now that i think about it, it was quite uncomfortable. but that was the same trip where i was thinking another hit or two would have been great, even though i was timid to eat 3 to begin with. the peak of the trip was exquisite, after that it got a little weird.


2ce is probably the most "intense" psychedelic i've tried (besides salvia), at least within the doses i've tried. mushrooms have been rough though. i've had some great trips but i've had some pretty dark ones too.

 

That's cause you're a nutty hardhead

 

DMT can be a beautiful thing. I warn you about abusing it too much though. It is not a recreational drug but a sacrament and if abused it can bite. I did fine with it for three yrs or so, but rarely used it. Then I discovered I could have a hella trip night just smoking a line of it in a blunt, and not getting the full breakthrough experience, just trippin in the 4th dimension but still here on earth, ya know?

I did this for a few weekends, and ended up having one helluva psychotic depression following a night of heavy use. Here is my psychedelic collection, all for personal use and self reflection and healing work in my shamanism.

 

pic is pretty tiny

 

A DMT trip can be pretty intimidating... just the gravity of the situation of how fucking hard your tripping can be overwhelming. But yeah.. the afterglow has always always been gentle to me and left me in a good mood.

Cept for the last time, but I deserved a slap in the face that time...

 

why's that?

 

I was fucking around with it like it was asprine. How long would over a gram of DMT last most of you? lol

 

I've never felt intimidated by DMT.