Three Dutch Marines Captured by Gaddafi Forces

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  1. skip

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    UPDATE 3/3: Three Dutch Marines Captured by Gaddafi Forces. Last Sunday three Dutch marines were captured when they flew a helicopter to Sirte, a Gaddafi stronghold to rescue two Dutchmen. The Dutch have been in negotiations since then for their release. The Dutch enforced a news blackout until now.


    The situation in Libya, particularly Tripoli has worsened as protesters are trying to retake the Green Square after Friday's religious services. Gaddafi's mercenaries are defending the square and firing live rounds as protesters attempt to approach the area. In addition, Gaddafi's forces are trying to retake towns surrounding Tripoli that protesters have taken over.

    Reports estimate the death toll into the thousands now. Western powers seem helpless to agree upon a course of action to help the people in Libya defeat Gaddafi. Of course they are all weighing their oil interests verses the lives of the Libyan people. Because if Gaddafi were to cling to power, the western countries could suddenly lose their oil contracts with Libya which are certainly worth thousands of lives, right?

    Meanwhile Gaddafi's son Saif said: "Plan A is to live and die in Libya, Plan B is to live and die in Libya, Plan C is to live and die in Libya."

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/24/live-blog-libya-feb-25
     
  2. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Ghaddafi(how do you spell his name anyways, they actually did a segment on the news the other day how no one in the past 40 years has been able to come to an agreement) seems really hell bent on dying.
     
  3. skip

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    UPDATE: US, French and British military advisors are on the ground in Libya assisting the people rebelling against Gaddafi. They arrive via ships thru Benghazi and Tobruk. They did not arrive with official permission from the still in power Libyan government. So basically these three countries have just invaded Libya. They are there to supposedly help train the revolutionaries to fight against Gaddafi. No doubt the untold reason is to secure the oil fields and pipelines being worked by the US, French and British.

    A couple of days ago the oil was cutoff from the eastern part of Libya, about 25% they said. Now suddenly with the appearance of all these military advisers, the oil is flowing again.

    http://www.debka.com/article/20708/
     
  4. TheMadcapSyd

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    Libya's oil is irrelevant. Saudi Arabia has enough reserve capacity to make up 4 Libya's and I'm sure they'd gladly take up the slack for the extra $$. It's especially irrelevant to the US, we barely get any oil from Libya, most goes to Europe. Libya's oil is more important to Libya than it is to the west, especially given the amount of damage that is going to need repairing after this is over.
     
  5. skip

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    Doesn't matter whether "WE" get anything out of it. Exxon is there. They are an American based company, so it matters to the US gov't, much more than Libyan lives. Don't you get it? PROFITS ARE AT STAKE! Get your American priorities straight.
     
  6. reb

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    Skip, i don't think co.s like exxon 'lose' in any scenario. they have reported record profits before, and will again. this whole price rise is artificial...libya was an excuse to raise prices, imo.

    i have seen people make a convincing case for 'peak oil'; then again, it keeps flowing. i think, like some of the wells i have seen, they are capped until they are profitable. something like the libya thing gives a reason to raise prices, and the capped wells become profitable overnight.

    washington week in review, with the old farts flapping their gums but doing nothing, will be comedic this weekend.
     
  7. Gadgetcypher

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    That's hardly an invasion. And the Libyan government is not in control of most of Libya, so to say that they are in power seems an exaggeration.
     
  8. KevinH

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    According to a few of the Wikileaks cables-cables between the US and Saudi Arabia-their oil has already or about to peak-and that their reserves are overstated by about 40%.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/08/saudi-oil-reserves-overstated-wikileaks
     
  9. skip

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    The Vietnam War officially started when we sent in teams of "advisers". That's the first phase, to assess what is needed to secure and control parts of the country. Usually followed by more boots on the ground. Next thing you know it's quagmire time with years passing and the war still going on.... Sound familiar? Does Afghanistan and Iraq ring any bells?

    Watch the Western countries carefully.

    Plans are being hatched right now to get control of Libya's oil fields. The oil companies didn't like having to pay tribute to Gaddafi to access the oil. Now they won't have to if they can remove him completely from the scene.

    But if they blow it, causing public opinion to turn against the Western oil oligarchs who kept Gaddafi in power, then things might turn out very different.
     
  10. McLeodGanja

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    I think they should kick him out, install a new and improved western democracy and rename it Labia, or Lesbio.
     
  11. skip

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    It might get confused with the Greek Island of Lesbos.

    But perhaps the nation of "Liberated Labias" might be more suitable...

    I wonder what that flag might look like...
     
  12. McLeodGanja

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    Guy on TV just now- We are afraid there is a risk that western nations will bombard our cities...

    David Cameron isn't ruling out military action.

    Looks like something has to be done to stop this descending into a full blown civil war.

    Great, more war, that's what the world needs...
     
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    Liberate Labias! i kinda like it....drop a few tactical nuclear devices, send in prisoners after some of the glow wears off to live in the buildings like canaries in a coal mine. if they don't die, colonize the place with illegal immigrants, union workers and kennedy's. shortly, we would have massachusetts with oil...or something like it. should've tac nuked iraq, instead of losing all those young american's lives...and having many more maimed. just like fucking vietnam....bomb the bastards til they glow or leave them alone. don't send one uniform.

    too many people-nature has to have some way to control the population. war is one way....people just act out nature's ways for her. why would anyone stop their civil war? no one tried to stop ours. fuck it, let 'em fight...sell tickets.
     
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    I honestly can't tell whether you're trying to be sarcastic/funny or not. :S


    As for Libya, with so many eyes on it in the media already, and the huge amounts of bad press and ill-will that previous wars resulted in, the "west" does not stand to gain from trying to effectively take it over. The masses could easily turn on them as they turned on Gaddafi.
     
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    I think this pic says it all... Any intervention by foreign forces is not wanted, yet the US now has special forces on the ground as well as the UK and France... When will they ever learn to let the PEOPLE do their thing and stop trying to influence the course of events for their own interests?

    [​IMG]
     
  17. scratcho

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    Just heard Ms Clintons statement that we should be concerned about Libya for humanitarian and OTHER REASONS. Uh-huh. Thought so.
     
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    UPDATE 3/3: Three Dutch Marines Captured by Gaddafi Forces. Last Sunday three Dutch marines were captured when they flew a helicopter to Sirte, a Gaddafi stronghold to rescue two Dutchmen. The Dutch have been in negotiations since then for their release. The Dutch enforced a news blackout until now.

    The International Criminal Court, in the Hague has announced it is opening up an investigation into Gaddafi's alleged crimes against humanity, based on preliminary evidence they have.

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a friend of Gaddafi, has offered to mediate in Libya. The French have turned down this offer and the opposition has said it has not been consulted.
     
  19. Zorba The Grape

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    Fuck. It begins.
     
  20. RooRshack

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    I live under a rock, and as such, have no idea how this has progressed.

    But I must say, arming rebels is the worst idea the US has ever had, every time we arm people we like slightly more, they just end up way worse than the people we thought we disliked more. Taliban, much? Proxy wars don't work.

    If giving the people a clean slate and PROTECTING them was really our goal, I'd have no problem giving short notice to a fucked regime like libya's to GTFO, and then hitting em' hard and fast if they didn't. Especially the dutch... If I where leading a nation and we had our citizens taken prisoner, I'd say you've got 24 hours... then we wage a full scale invasion, you'll have no military in the morning..

    But of course, we first go kill women and children and general non-combatants, and then install our own puppet that ends up even worse, because in the end that's WHAT WE WANT.

    Fuck all :(

    *edit* despite the fact that we like being sloppy and killing non-combatants, I KNOW we can be precise, I remember when they found those afghani trenches full of pot with camo over them a few years back... cleared em out and bombed em to get rid of the pot, hit NOTHING but this trench like ten feet wide and a 150 feet long, all the pot burnt at once, NOTHING else did. We can, we've just got the WRONG people in the armed forces.
     

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