Love your posts, thank you... Personally to me, prayer is the vehicle used to communicate with God. We show we are listening and acknowledging the holy spirit which is in all living things via our actions: our confessions of sin, our fair,reasonable judgement to act in accordance with God's will, our generosity with not only material things but with our compassion, time, tolerance and respect to all our neighbours (Oh, and ourselves too -God's love, remember?) and our surrender and sacrifice. Surrender those worries away through prayer, God will speak in amazing ways!
Actually the "Lord's Prayer" was stated by Jesus to be a model prayer, to help us with our prayers, not to replace heart felt prayers offered to God in our own words.
Frankly it is to orient our perspective to the things that we need to attend to. Things above and beyond our vision of the way things should be.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Are god's kingdom and god's will then, according to your vision of the way things should be?
The thing I noticed about the Lord's prayer is the focus on God's soverntiy. "thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done.
It's the way to know that people thought of sovereignty by the king and the original responsible Man aware of the land for the division of the system for sharing the property and labour. 'Thy will be done' is for the God's sovereignty by taking the control of POWER by the governments. In the Lord's prayer itself the rule of the possessor is for sharing, I believe, the healthily escaped for mythical Land. That was first of all.
Last time I checked, for something to "come" it is not here yet, for something to "be done" means that it has not been done yet.
Come now. It is an affirmation not a desire for the future. Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day, our supersubstance, daily bread.
My prayer is not for comfort. All my comfort has always been in god. My prayer is for edification. May I ask what question you might have had that is now explained to you?
an affirmation not a desire for the future? Even the term "give us" indicates something wanted, not something already received.
I understand that perspective, however I am led to regard it with more immediacy. This day is pretty specific. Like I say, to me the prayer is for edification, part of a process of picking up ones cross daily. Why would we pray for a future to come? If it is prophesied as you believe, then it is assured. The prayer focuses the mind on the principles that bring gods kingdom to bare. Your father in heaven knows what you want before you even ask. The prayer is for reorientation of sight. The prayer is to focus the intent toward the needful principles. Of all the words jesus could have used, why did he make a point of these? It is a prescribed incantation, a practical matter. The prayer does not immediately present the same sensations as personally heartfelt prayers. It is something you learn the meaning of through practice.
I am afraid this is another instance where you simply misunderstand me if you have judged me insecure from what I have said. I think you judge me insecure because you think I am out to tear people down. That is your judgment and because it is your judgment, so it appears to you. It is quite the opposite. The only thing that can be threatened are our illusions.
ROFL that is the most ridiculous thing I've seen you post. Are you serious ? How is this humbling to you ? TBH, it has the connotations to make me feel like I am a parasite on this Earth and certainly God is not pleased by this notion. Think about this prayer for a moment... Okay, so maybe I'm over reacting
I understand why you're denying it. And your perception of my judgment is in error. But that too, is understandable. Have a nice day.
My perception of your judgment comes from your statements in these forums regarding my activities. I do not deny that I occasionally stumble but any moments of fear I experience these days are very brief. On the other hand, there is no depravity that I have not been familiar with. You have made no point, you have only alluded to your private thoughts. If you have evidence of my insecurity, let's all hear it. I want to hear your critique so that I may comprehend your "understanding".
