Legalizing Psychedelics : A Fool's Logic

I read the following here today:

"Psychedelics should be available for all to access.
If we sell them with warnings concerning taking dosages that are too high, or if we start teaching kids from a young age that psychedelics aren't something to be irresponsible with, then we wouldn't have nearly as many problems with them.

After all, we have enough faith in all humans over 18+ (or 21 in some places) to drink alcohol responsibly."


That's like saying "LSD should be available for all to access. If we sell LSD with warnings concerning taking LSD, or if we start teaching kids that LSD isn't something to be irresponsible with, then we wouldn't have nearly as many problems with people taking LSD".

After all, we have enough faith in all humans over 18+ (or 21 in some places) to drink alcohol responsibly."

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How many of you think like this?

 

I think psychedelics should NOT be sold like alcohol. I don't even think alcohol should be sold like alcohol .

They should be much more regulated, in medical supervision. They should not be sold as a friday night "lets get fucked up" product in dollar stores. Psychedelics should be legalized for MEDICAL use only.

 

psychedelics should be available to those who would and can use them responsibly. hopefully that is what this person meant. if not, they are overgeneralizing, and I am not comfortable with that. I do, however, believe that education is more effective than prohibition in terms of damage control.

 

You want me thrown in prison for using LSD? You I will try to avoid, you are dangerous to free people.

 

I wish there was a way to do an accurate study on the amount of people who die chasing a legal trip versus those that die each year due to illegal psychedelics.

The truth is that there is absolutely no right answer when it comes to regulating these kinds of substances. You can go straight to the store and buy rat poison - some people use it to kill their neighbor's dogs or to end their own lives, but most people use it correctly because they have been educated. There is a "correct" use for almost any recreational drug, but you can't count on people to use it for the right reasons whether it is legal or not, even if they have been educated about the substance.

Stupid people will always act stupid. The law cannot change that, and neither can responsible consumers.

 

I think you should shove 7grams of penis envy in your mouth and ..

 

I think everyone should be given AT LEAST a moderate dose of LSD or another psychedelic substance. If nothing else, it would allow people to decide, for themselves, whether or not they would like to experiment further with psychedelia. It's a helluva lot better than people believing and submitting to the ignorance conveyed through government/anti-drug propaganda. This includes marijuana, btw.

 

Well, I can already tell that you're going to take a massive shit all over my opinion since you've already done that above, but I will attempt to outline my process of thought.

Firstly, who is it that decides who psychedelics should be available to? I'm sure most of the people on this forum didn't see a doctor to get the psychedelics they use, however they did RESEARCH about the drugs they wanted to consume and went to a drug dealer of some sort to obtain the drugs they wanted to obtain.

By going through the black market, firstly, you have no idea what kind of people you are supporting through your purchase, and secondly, in the case of many substances such as LSD, MDMA, 2C-X chemicals, you have no idea what you are purchasing.

By putting the production of these substances in the hands of legitimate companies, you will be assured you are getting:

a) What you paid for.
b) A pure product.
c) The dosage you are aiming for.

Secondly, prohibition has been proven not to work. For example, in the Netherlands, the amount of adults that smoke cannabis is much smaller than the number of adults in the US who smoke cannabis.

http://www.nationalpost.com/life/story.html?id=2188397

Why? Part of it must have to do with the fact that it is legal. Teens see adults using cannabis responsibly, and hey, part of the risk factor involved with consuming a substance disappears. Suddenly the drug is no longer a taboo secret that is never discussed with children, and they are taught that cannabis is a drug to be used responsibly.


Thirdly, and as partially stated above, you will be teaching people of all ages about how to properly use drugs. As much as many people do research the drugs they're going to take, there is still lots of misinformation about these things going around. You won't be learning from homeboy on the street about how eating 10 hits of acid will make you go "legally insane" and turn into "a glass of orange juice".

The fact of the matter is that the drug trade will continue to thrive no matter what kind of laws you enforce. In the end, it is better that people know what they are getting, and that they get the correct information concerning the substances they are consuming.

Why should you have the right to psychedelics and/or mind altering substances just because you think you're ready, and no one else? Medical use of psychedelics is a very important step forward, however in the long run, I believe that each individual should be allowed to choose for themselves with the correct information presented to them.

:love:

 

Its an interesting thought of psychedelics being legal, if they were legal I think they should have widespread availability but not sold like alcohol. Maybe there could be the equivalent of like a psychedelic dmv, where you take a couple classes, then have to pass a test and then you go wait in a line where time passes extremely slowly (great preparation for the psychedelic experience) and get a liscense.

I fear in the U.S. psychedelics would succumb to marketing, I think in many instances with the amount of psychedelic drugs available this kind of already happens. Its like we reccomend one psychedelic for this intended effect, and then another psychedelic for that specific effect, take this dose with this music while tying your shoe and if you sneeze you'll reach a ++++. I think marketing would definitely capitalize on that and alot of the meaningful aspects of the psychedelic experience will be lost.

 

I can only envision psychedelics being used legally in therapy sessions, like MDMA was for a time.

 

You're right, "keep drugs illegal, fostering a black market and gang culture, funding countless dangerous criminals within the country, and cartels with whole armies worldwide" is a much better plan.

 

so you have to be sick to take a psychedelic?!

 

real medicine is preventative

 

Legal, Illegal, I'd still rather buy LSD from a hippie dreadhead than the government or a pharmaceutical company.

Though I believe all drugs should be legal for anyone to manufacture and use in any situation.

Not spiritual/religious use as well?

 

I'm with orison on this one. Hmmm.....
1) Some kid dies from taking 2C-1, ha! You guys can't even get that right.
2) Suddenly all over the Interwebz people like you are sprouting like weeds asking weird questions like this one (and like your fishing for vendors in that other thread of yours).
3) You talk like an informant, agent, or some kind of LEO.

I'm not saying you are per se, but if the shoe fits...

It might not be the best of strategies to join a forum such as this, dive right in asking for sources and citing some thread from 2004, then a few posts later or before, go on railing against the responsible use of a substance that most here quite honestly aren't going to have anything but good to say about.

You should tell your boss that Operation Web Tryp II isn't going as smoothly as you'd hoped. Try being more covert next time

 

Some people just aren't cut out for psychedelics. It would fuck their shit up... but I believe they should be legal. I don't, and never will, understand how someone can tell others what they can or can't do with their own body.

 

Yes, that's EXACTLY what it's like saying.

No one has the right to regulate me or my mind, and if you think you or anyone else has that right, you are part of my sworn enemy.

Psychedelics should be legal. Heroin should be legal. There should be no drug laws, period, other that they may not be sold to minors.

Minors consuming drugs should be like consuming alcohol, they may do it under the supervision of their parents.

Controlling one's brain is the most intimate, invasive, authoritarian, totalitarian, fascist, evil type of control. They're my neurotransmitters, and no one's business but that of me and my family and friends.

OP is pretty obviously a piggie. As cosmoknot said, they're going to be everywhere nowadays, "designer drugs" are becoming a big issue. Watch your ass, about who you talk to online, who you give sources to (not that it should really matter, they can find them, but still... you could endanger the community or yourself, due to the wording of some interesting legislation, and depending on what implications about consumption you can be showed to have made) and all that manner of thing. They love making two posts in steroid forums, getting some sources, and then busting the whole thing and saying they where "deep undercover" and "infiltrated" the "ring". Same could happen with "designer drugs".

They're my neurotransmitters, and I want the use of them NOW!

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RooRshack again.

 

Well thanks brudof, I tried to rep you just for the thought, but when I -repped the OP, it was the last I could give for 24 hours.

Checking his posts in other threads, he wants info on SoS, fears old age, wants sources in general, but thinks drugs are bad. And he posted something that could go either way, but seems to be in support of the cops removing private basketball hoops in deleware. Looks like he was trying to be sneaky, so he could feel all undercover and shit....

Did anyone notice his hometown is the nemesis of Mcbain (movie super cop, takeoff on diehards "mcclain") from the simpsons?


I wish I got paid to hang out on forums all day.... I'd be a rich motherfucker.

 

@CannbisSoul, funny you mention that, I've thought I was a glass of orange juice for years now

@RooRshack, I think the basketball shit in Deleware and the old age comment are this chap's strategic means of being "stealthy" in going about fishing for sources... sheesh. Boy! Almost had me there